Are you still pro-Brexit?

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Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?fbclid=IwAR3E3Xc8p0bgNF06hCJZzr61Ak-6VetNbFv5vrfsV041nPvDZeFSCnjHcdg&r=US&IR=T

Alsohuman
Because the only thing Johnson and Leave have left is hate. None of his promises of sunlit uplands are on the table anymore. If we have no deal he and his followers will blame the EU, they will continue to drum up hatred against the EU and paint them as bullying, we're better off out.

My guess is that in aggregate they're not very bright.

I don’t think remainers are in aggregate dim bulbs, but threads like this sorely test that judgement.

But the research evidence does show that the Leave vote was associated being older, white and with low educational attainment.

Working for HMRC the costs are massive , budget for EU Exit next year runs into the hundreds of millions

Why will BJ throw the U.K. economy off the cliff ?

Read Kleins Shock Doctrine. Disaster Capitalism. Mr Johnson is likely to profit hugely from an economic downturn. He is driven by money and power.

I suspect he’s laughing very loudly the Coronovirus has reduced the focus on exit negotiations and we can cease negotiations shortly without much fuss.

Mr Johnson is likely to profit hugely from an economic downturn. He is driven by money and power.

Hang on, I thought he was supposed to be a massive egotist? Surely he doesn't want to be remembered as the PM who ballsed up Brexit and took the country off an economic cliff, even if he arguably stood to profit a bit from it personally? He's already rich. Surely he'd get richer in the long run (not to mention eternally and popular and lauded by the Leave contingent) for making a good job of it?

But the research evidence does show that the Leave vote was associated being older, white and with low educational attainment.

The older British electorate is by default 'less educated' than the young. In the 1960s only 4% of people went to university compared to 50% of young people since Tony Blair was in power. Do you think that the people of the UK suddenly became massively more intelligent in the 90s then?

It's pretty disingenuous for the Remain contingent to repeatly assert or imply that Leave voters can be assumed to be less intelligent than Remainers by dint of having less formal education due to their age. You'd have to be a bit dim yourself, or just incredibly obtuse, to not understand the reasons for this.

Surely he'd get richer in the long run (not to mention eternally and popular and lauded by the Leave contingent) for making a good job of it?

You're spot-on correct. He'd get even richer if he discovered the secrets of perpetual motion. It's 50/50 which he'll manage first.

That's not the point though is it Goaty?

Whether or not you or any other Remainer thinks it can be made a success of or not, no Prime Minister goes into the job wanting to make a hash of it and wanting to bring the country down in just about every way possible. No matter how deluded or misguided they might be about the benefits and feasilibity of their plans (see Jeremy Corbyn as a prime example) they aren't actually deranged enough to put those things in place in the belief that it's all going to be an unmitigated disaster and worse for the country, not better.

And yet again and again, this is what I see BJ accused of.

It's pretty disingenuous for the Remain contingent to repeatly assert or imply that Leave voters can be assumed to be less intelligent than Remainers by dint of having less formal education due to their age.

I didn’t say less intelligent. Just less educated. And white. and old. As per the research. You’re drawing the parallel with less educated and less intelligent. yourself sweetie.

Mr Johnson is likely to profit hugely from an economic downturn.

Two reports from Full Fact:

"We think there's a big error in that viral article about hedge funds and Brexit,"

"An article in the Byline Times, which has been shared tens of thousands of times on social media, makes a series of claims about donors to Vote Leave and Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign standing to profit from a no deal Brexit."

"But at least one key part of the article—a claim that the number of “short positions” taken by hedge funds increased dramatically in the lead up to Boris Johnson’s election as Conservative leader—seems likely to be based on a misunderstanding of the data."

"In reality, no such spike in the number of short positions seems to have occurred."

fullfact.org/economy/short-positions/

Claim Brexit is about concealing offshore accounts is baseless.

Claim - In January 2020 a new EU law means anyone who has an offshore bank account will have to “come clean so we can see how much they are hiding”.

Conclusion - Incorrect.There is no such EU law coming into place.

fullfact.org/online/brexit-not-concealing-offshore-accounts/

FieldOfFlameAndHeather

Perhaps you are correct but Johnson isn't a normal politician, certain the UK has never had anyone in no 10 with his track record, the stunts he has pulled, his morals with fathering children, sacked twice for lying, the remarks about Nasrin Radcliffe.

He strikes me as someone particularly unsuited for high office, lets face it, he makes Trump look almost Lincoln like.

He may not deliberately crash the UK but much like how he has treated the women and children in his life, i doubt he cares either, its just a game to him.

We shall have to see - Boris Johnson's tenure as London Mayor was deemed to be pretty good overall. Most politicians would be happy with this sort of verdict leaving a high profile job:

YouGov May 2016
"His approval rating has been remarkably consistent during his second term as Mayor, since 2012, and has been drastically higher than most national politicians' throughout. In hindsight, the majority of Londoners (52%) say he has done a good job, while 29% say he hasn't performed well."

He only needs more of the same as PM.

What did he actually do as Mayor?

Olympics high? Even though he had v little to do with it?

I'd describe myself as an "ideological leaver" so I'm very happy about the fact that Brexit is going ahead.

I'm happy that Boris's 80 seat majority means that it will be a less-diluted down version than it might otherwise have been. (I wonder if many Remainers are now regretting "doubling down" when Theresa was Primeminister?)

I'm happy that ALL the "Remoaner" breakaway MPs and parties were democratically wiped out at the last election - good riddance!

I am most happy that the supercilious self-appointed "liberal elite" across many sections of the media, academia and elsewhere have been defeated by DEMOCRACY.

And so far, the sky has not fallen in. True, Brexit has not yet happened. But how many Remainers were predicting economic apocalypse the moment the UK voted to leave? For example, what happened to George Osbourne's "Emergency Budget" and the many predictions of the collapse of economic investment.

How about some of these guys eat a bit of 'umble pie'?

I'm happy that ALL the "Remoaner" breakaway MPs and parties were democratically wiped out at the last election

In the case of Tory MPs, they weren’t re-elected because they were kicked out of the party, there was nothing democratic about that. I’ve voted to be part of the EU twice, once in 1975 and again in 2016. And I’m a remainer who’s incandescently angry, not moaning.

I didn’t say less intelligent. Just less educated. And white. and old. As per the research. You’re drawing the parallel with less educated and less intelligent. hmm yourself sweetie.

No you didn’t, which is why Is didn’t name check you specifically for being disingenuous. But lets face it, we all
know what Remainers are driving at when they constantly call Leave Voters thick, and in the next breath refer to how much more educated Remainers are. I don’t need to be the one to make the association thanks, Remainers have been doing that for years.

Remainers are on average much younger than Leavers, so that’s why they are, in general, more likely to have degrees.

You could probably argue the same for them being white. There is a far,far greater proportion of BAME people who are young in this country than there are who are old. Although what skin colour and ethnic background has to do with it is anyone’s guess.

And please don’t call me sweetie. It makes you sound sneery and a bit thick. This is a debating forum. My thoughts on the subject aren’t a direct slur on you so there is no need for you to react as though they are.

Remainers are on average much younger than Leavers, so that’s why they are, in general, more likely to have degrees.

Iirc the data showed higher levels of education for remainers across all age brackets.

More pro it than when I voted Leave.

HTH

I called you sweetie in response to your sneery emoticon. HTH.

I wish MN would do away with that emoticon. I want to punch people who use it.

Yes, 100%

Leaving the EU was what we voted for, and that is exactly what Boris has done. Great result.

The politicians can now negotiate deals with the the EU and the rest of the world. If the EU dont want a good deal then that is their loss, the UK will be fine.

We didn't regain our sovereignty only to hand it back to the EU a few months later.

Great name zombie very apt.

It’s that “they need us more than we need them” argument again. Sigh.