To think that most people voted to leave the EU to stop freedom of movement?

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The proposed new rules the government have supposedly set out that are designed to keep out 'low skilled' workers seem to me like social cleansing. Most recently , when people moan about 'immigrants' they are always talking about people from Eastern Europe in my experience.

What really annoys me is that almost all leaver voters deny repeatedly that their vote had anything to do with the fact they wanted freedom of movement stopped.

Sorry if this has been done to death. But why won't people just be honest?

Veiled racism? Just racism? What an absolute joke. Just because a native doesn't agree with a policy it makes them racist? Pathetic.

@Parker231 Have yu ever wondered what kind of country we would have been minus the mass immigration? How services like the NHS would have evolved? Or do you think the country would have collapsed had it been only British people building society? What makes people think we needed immigration? Why do you think we wouldn't have grown without allowing anyone from anywhere in?

@Seventyone72seventy3 Oh yes if immigration is so great for the country then why is everyone sick of mass immigration and its consequences??

I am a EU immigrant - I have been in the UK since I was five. DH is Canadian - he came to the UK when he was 21. DH is a GP in London. All the other GP’s and practice nurses are Europeans. We are planning on leaving the UK. The rest of the practice are securing other jobs in Australia, Canada and Europe. The GP practice will be closing as there are no GP’s to take it over. The patients will have to join another practice with a longer wait for appointments. The UK has needed and continues to need EU immigration.

Oh yes if immigration is so great for the country then why is everyone sick of mass immigration and its consequences??

Because people always want a scapegoat. I think unhappy people do blame immigrants for their life's ills.

It seems odd to me that people can't (won't?) see that the reason the NHS is collapsing is because the government is cutting services to the bone! Much easier to blame people who seem 'other' from yourself.

@Parker231 Well it'd be wonderful if all immigrants were GP's and much needed, but when I walked past a graveyard last week and there were 12 eastern europeans sitting on dead peoples grave stones, with cans of beer scattered everywhere whilst spitting/smoking weed and a having a jolly old time in the middle of the day, excuse me whilst I think that immigration is absolute shit show.

@LittleBoyJuly2020 how did you know they were 'Eastern Europeans'?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-workers-uk-tax-treasury-brexit-migrants-british-citizens-a8542506.html?amp

Article on the positive benefits to the UK of EU workers.

Yes because the whole 52% of them are obviously racist 🙄
I don't know how many people we can actually fit comfortably on this little island.

Have yu ever wondered what kind of country we would have been minus the mass immigration? How services like the NHS would have evolved?

The biggest problem with the NHS is lack of investment in social care which means that people who should be looked after in a nursing home end up blocking beds in hospital. Patel's proposal is going to make that problem 1000x worse. But of course, easier to blame immigration...

I know well several leave 2016 voters, immigration wasn’t top reason for any of them (one of them felt low skilled/paid jobs (like the one they did) were kept from improved conditions/pay because his Eastern European colleagues put up /accepted things that his peers from UK would have complained about/left) but it was down the list of reasons. The others didn’t feel strongly about it. Some said they think the economy needs immigrants and we should open up to more than EU.

All of them don’t express their views to many people as some (who seem like they have never considered the Brexit position) tell them they were conned by bus slogans /repeat what the BBC has told them.

My thought is immigration was not the main factor and the liberal elite kept saying that, via media, to make people appear racist/ shamed into having another referendum and change vote to remain.

Thank goodness for Boris.

I don't know how many people we can actually fit comfortably on this little island.

We'd sit a hell of lot more comfortably if there was proper investment in infrastructures and services. The Tories have done what in 10 years ? Immigration is a red herring. The way the whole country is run is the real issue.

Oh well the Home Secretary has told industries across the UK to “invest in people in this country” instead of relying on a migrant workforce. I imagine the next step will be to change the benefits system so those claiming will be forced to take on jobs previously held by EU workers. Lots of care home jobs, hotel and restaurant vacancies and agricultural roles.

@youwereagoodcakeclyde so what was the reason then? You say that it wasn’t immigration but you won’t explain what there reasons were?

And yes thank goodness for Boris - I sleep so much more soundly in my bed at night knowing a man who his own family don’t even trust is now running the country. Let’s celebrate.

one of them felt low skilled/paid jobs (like the one they did) were kept from improved conditions/pay because his Eastern European colleagues put up /accepted things that his peers from UK would have complained about/left)

Yes, this is one thing I want a definitive answer to because I genuinely don't know.

Is it actually the case that 'low skilled' work has become more poorly paid? Or that employers now get away with paying minimum wage because EU migrants will accept this?

Their not there

"when I walked past a graveyard last week and there were 12 eastern europeans sitting on dead peoples grave stones, with cans of beer scattered everywhere whilst spitting/smoking weed..."

Sounds unlikely. Most Poles I know, for example, treat graveyards as hallowed ground. Their cemeteries are beautiful, lit up by candles at night. Visits to family graves, especially at festival times, to clean them and put fresh flowers down, as well as lighting the aforementioned candle lanterns, are seen as a duty and a pleasure.

My mother voted leave because she didn’t want to end up living next to a Polish builder when her neighbours house went on sale. That was the reason she gave me. She actually said that. Jesus.

I imagine the next step will be to change the benefits system so those claiming will be forced to take on jobs previously held by EU workers. Lots of care home jobs, hotel and restaurant vacancies and agricultural roles.

As far as I know, people claiming out of work benefits already have to show that they are applying for whatever jobs are available. And if they don't, their benefits are cut. Correct me if I'm wrong...

I agree @Mordred Poland is largely a Catholic country.

I voted remain and still believe in remaining, however I also think it's ridiculous that we have unemployment in this country whilst relying on migrant work to fill lower skilled, low paid jobs.
I'm in favour of the welfare state, but I don't see why some of these lower skilled jobs shouldn't be filled with people who are currently out of work. That way the benefits can be better targeted to those who need it.

The issue I have is that I have no doubt that some of the leave voters (not all) will have voted leave because 'all the immigrants are taking our jobs' would be the first to complain if they were told to do the jobs that the immigrants were doing. For a selection of leave voters immigrants were a convenient scapegoat for their own problems.

I have a major issue with the starting salary of £25,000 though as proof of being a professional and skilled worker. That rules out entry salaries for teaching, nursing, midwifery, physiotherapy, speech therapy and many other professional jobs.

Since the Brexit referendum result, my DW, who's been living in this country since 1995 and became a British Citizen in 2000, has been told, several times, to: 'fuck off back to where you came from, you Polish bitch'. This is in an area which voted 60%+ Leave.

Maybe hatred of immigrants wasn't the main reason for a lot of Leave votes: but don't try to belittle this sort of shit or say it's not happening.

You're wrong - as least as far as I'm concerned and other Leavers with whom I have spoken. We are happy for people to come to this country, IF they have the skills that we need and are prepared to work and pay taxes. We are not happy at the endless number who come her with zero skills, no inclination to work and a good number who end up in our prisons.

Can anyone tell me if they disagree with the immigration points system? Perhaps you would explain why? It's used in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and I'm sure several other countries. You can't just walk into those countries and demand housing, benefits and access to the health service, why should the UK be any different?

And before anyone mentions fruit and veg rotting in the fields - under Brexit, Farmers can bring in up to 2,500 seasonal agricultural workers every year - also very sensible.

For a selection of leave voters immigrants were a convenient scapegoat for their own problems.

Yes, like the man who had 6 kids, a horse living in his back garden. But the reason he was struggling was the fault of immigrants 😂

We really need migrants to take jobs in the NHS. There is a massive swell of people within the Baby Boomer generation that are ageing - who is going to look after them all?

@SilverySurfer , wait there one minute - where is the actual evidence that loads of EU migrants end up in our prisons?? Actual evidence please, not articles from the Daily Mail...

When I was in hospital following a brain haemorrhage, I was almost exclusively cared for by non UK doctors and nurses. Most of the nursing staff were from the Philippines, Spain and Southern Ireland. The surgeon who saved my life was Czech. I only remember two nurses who were British.

I must have encountered at least 50 non UK staff during my stay and not once did I encounter any language problems. The care was exemplary. I shudder to think what we will do when these staff are no longer welcome.