To think that most people voted to leave the EU to stop freedom of movement?

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The proposed new rules the government have supposedly set out that are designed to keep out 'low skilled' workers seem to me like social cleansing. Most recently , when people moan about 'immigrants' they are always talking about people from Eastern Europe in my experience.

What really annoys me is that almost all leaver voters deny repeatedly that their vote had anything to do with the fact they wanted freedom of movement stopped.

Sorry if this has been done to death. But why won't people just be honest?

The birth rate in the U.K. isn't higher than average - it's currently 1.8 per woman. That is less than when I was growing up in the 80s.

There were many reasons though I suspect you are right OP. It is a shame it had to come to Brexit there could have been rules set within the EU.
Although most immigration has helped in Ireland, the majority are employed excluding the Roma, the country like the UK was unprepared for the amount of extra people, health services and housing education have been hit badly, it angers people. We can't blame immigrants but the goverment.

I attended a Rheumatology Appointment with a room full of elderly Nofolk people. It became immediately obvious, that the Rheumatologist could neither speak nor understand English properly. He was dangerous

Doctors who aren't from the UK have to pass a test of proficiency in English before they can register with the GMC, so I can't see how that happened.

There's a difference in believing that there's 'a god given right to live in any country you want' and an awareness that there are an awful lot of people who are officially British yet have had no intention of living in Britain/contributing to Britain, yet who are probably going to have to move back to the UK due to brexit and be a drain on the UK taxpayer.

@Tellmetruth4 If you read the Oxford Economics report that I literally posted below my post, you'll see that that is indeed correct.

And obviously not confusing migrants with refugees ffs

But we don't have an open door immigration policy now. We have a reciprocal arrangement with 27 other countries.

Where, at the lower end of the earnings spectrum, the traffic is largely one way.

When British people go to Poland and Latvia to work in abattoirs and clean houses, or to Slovakia to sell magazines as a way of accessing in work benefits as a ‘self employed’ personthen talk to me about reciprocal.

There are plenty of retired British people accessing health care and benefits throughout Europe.

Lakie, yes but the test is not infallible. In Surrey alone here are some examples www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/doctors-nurses-midwives-struck-suspended-17358168

do retired people drain the british tax system notmycuppa?

And I am a Briton currently accessing higher education in an eu state

My point was that they paid their taxes in Britain and now access health care elsewhere. The issue of an aging population and hospital beds is acute where I live. I was very lucky to be able to care for my own parents here

Doctors who aren't from the UK have to pass a test of proficiency in English before they can register with the GMC, so I can't see how that happened.

When I complained the explanation was “he struggled when under stress”. I pointed out that dealing with a room full of patients was inherently stressful, so why had he been put in that position?

They also said they would arrange for me to see “an English” consultant. That sent me apeshit as well, because the implication was my issue was a racist one. I had to point out to them that the Doctor that originally diagnosed my RA had been Egyptian. However he could explain to me quite clearly what his diagnosis was, and what he intended to do about it, (a large needle in the rear end).

It was a communication issue. Also about 15 years ago the English tests for Doctors was very limited. In fact I don’t think we were allowed to test EU doctors. That changed after the incident with the German Locum who got the medication dose wrong and killed a patient.

The immigration policy is pure political posturing. When faced with the combustion of the social care, hospitality, construction and agricultural sectors, the government will be forced to create various "exemptions". Employers will be able to recruit from anywhere in the world rather than relying on EU free movement. Those who voted against Polish and Lithuanians coming here will be delighted I'm sure to see an increase in immigration from non-EU countries.

I think the leave vote was an awful lot of people shouting at the government YOU'RE NOT LISTENISNG TO ME. Mostly outside of London.
I don't see how making the same rules for the whole world to apply to come here is bad. Why should white europeans be more entitled to come that people from Africa or India?
I really had thought that they would still allow EU members to continue to have the privilege of moving here with less qualifications to work in care/hospitality. I do think that they will eventually end up making a special visa to cover those jobs.

What I would like to say is those people who are saying who are going to look after the elderly and wipe bottoms, why do you think importing people is a good idea?

So we have someone to do the jobs? Have you seen the number of vacancies in the care sector already?

Absolute rubbish that non-EU immigrants take out more than they put in as stated by a PP. Non-EU immigrants have to jump trough a 100 hoops including their partner having to earn a set amount before they can live here and have no right to public recourse for some time.

Agree. Jumped through many hoops to be able to live work, and remain with my husband and children. Despite having settled status I have to have my biometrics done every time I travel. Took the citizenship test to have settled status yet have to pay another £1,000 to get citizenship and another fee for a British passport. We’ve spent thousands so far and the fee goes up every year, and new requirements added. I pay taxes, do not use public funds (stated on my BRP nor need them) and have paid to be able to use the NHS since I moved here.

I can say with each renewal the paperwork gets longer and more confusing that both my British husband, I and his family members were confused and we’re all born and raised in English-speaking countries. BIL rung us for help when he moved back over with his Canadian wife. It’s not easy and can be stressful. If you fail or miss something for any reason, you have to reapply and pay another £1000. We’ve not had to do that thankfully.

phoenixrosehere Ths costs aren't just because you came to UK, had you gone to Australia or the US it's the same.
I paid out many thousands of dollars for green cards, citizenship applications, fingerprints, passports. Just as you have done. We also paid taxes, paid for healthcare, contributed to society. We too were confused and at one point used an immigration lawyer to make sure wouldn't have to resubmit anything and pay twice.
If a family/person choose to move country it costs a lot of money, everywhere.

The birth rate in the U.K. isn't higher than average - it's currently 1.8 per woman. That is less than when I was growing up in the 80s

Yes it's lower than it was but with so many people to start with, and immigrants also having kids who in turn have kids, it's still high. I was checking the stats but obviously the UK has now been removed from the EU stats. However, this article is from 2016 and shows the UK still is among the highest.

www.irishtimes.com/news/science/why-is-europe-losing-the-will-to-breed-1.2644169

Anyway the point I was trying to make was that it is not just direct immigration that is causing the population growth and pressure on services, it's also the fact that the birth rate is comparatively high compared with the EU/Europe generally, and people can't just blame immigrants but also need to look at how many children they are having.

Those who voted against Polish and Lithuanians coming here will be delighted I'm sure to see an increase in immigration from non-EU countries Am I meant to favour white migrants ?

I assume the reason non-EU migrants contribute less is because the stats include those who seek asylum? Who take longer to get on their feet.

The NHS, care and hospitality sector will struggle without EU immigration. If you think the NHS waiting lists are long now, it’s going to get much worse.

Absolutely agree. It's veiled racism.

I'm honest to anyone who asks. I didn't like the freedom for movement, just letting any and everyone in isn't the right process.

A points based/assesment system like other countries is the way forward
Make sure people can support themselves and their families, surely if you moving country you would make sure you could afford to live in the new country?

Most of it is just racism. The truth is that EU migrants contribute more per head and take out less per head than British citizens but most Leavers strategically ignore that.

When British people go to Poland and Latvia to work in abattoirs and clean houses, or to Slovakia to sell magazines as a way of accessing in work benefits as a ‘self employed’ personthen talk to me about reciprocal.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But it was my understanding that self employed people can't apply for benefits?