To think that most people voted to leave the EU to stop freedom of movement?

[Moomin8]

The proposed new rules the government have supposedly set out that are designed to keep out 'low skilled' workers seem to me like social cleansing. Most recently , when people moan about 'immigrants' they are always talking about people from Eastern Europe in my experience.

What really annoys me is that almost all leaver voters deny repeatedly that their vote had anything to do with the fact they wanted freedom of movement stopped.

Sorry if this has been done to death. But why won't people just be honest?

They were paid just above minimum wage but things like overtime bonus was removed (he complained but no one wanted to “rock the boat”), people moved from day to night shift at short notice, people accepted being spoken to badly /bullying by the line managers (mostly Eastern European too). He felt by being majority migrants workplaces, opportunity taken of their insecurity and the conditions were worse. I’m guessing in time many would gain confidence, move jobs and same work would be refilled with similar workers.

He did also support improvement in conditions in some workplaces!

mistermagpie
Or the person with 3 GCSEs and a criminal record thinking Umair the doctor in A&E has stolen their job.

I voted remain but I think it’s ridiculous to assume everyone who voted leave are racist. I know plenty that aren’t.

Also, if you’re struggling to find people not willing to work, come to east County Durham and I’ll show you a fair few!

@SilverySurfer - well, you could try and demand housing but as we know there isn't any no matter if you are entitled to it not!

@Mordred how awful. My Finnish friend has had the same said to her. She told me that she has noticed people talking down to her since the referendum.

She is now so unhappy here that she wants to go back to Finland but she can't because her British ex husband has blocked her from taking their two children.

@TheDarkPassenger - how can you judge that people are unwilling to work? How can you know all of their circumstances?

@LittleBoyJuly2020 how did you know they were 'Eastern Europeans'?

Seriously? The same way you probably know, when you see/hear a group of them together.

Sounds unlikely. Most Poles I know, for example, treat graveyards as hallowed ground.

No-one said they were Poles. Poles are not the only Eastern or Central Europeans in the UK, and even if they were Poles, they too have their druggie/drunken/anti-social contingent with nothing better to do all day but get drunk and smoke weed in a graveyard.

I imagine the next step will be to change the benefits system so those claiming will be forced to take on jobs previously held by EU workers. Lots of care home jobs, hotel and restaurant vacancies and agricultural roles.

Gosh, how dreadful! Do you have the tiniest bit of awareness of just how ridiculously precious that sounds? Who the hell do you you think did all those jobs before the Eastern Europeans arrived in their droves?

Correct me if I'm wrong. But it was my understanding that self employed people can't apply for benefits?

You are wrong. In work benefits are still benefits and you can access them by claiming you are self employed doing any old shite for 16 hours a week, even if your 'business' doesn't make a penny in profit. Why do you think all the Big Issue sellers (who used to be homeless British men) are now eastern and Central European Roma women? Penny dropped yet?

What about all the non-EU unskilled immigrants who are here. There was a lot of immigration in the 90s

It would be interesting to know if they are economically active etc.

@Moomin8
Because they tell me lol

@FieldOfFlameAndHeather uhhh, it's well documented that Big Issue sellers often weren't actually homeless whether born in the U.K. or not - a whole other thread I think.

I’m not saying they’re bad people, some of the most lovely I’ve ever worked with. But they fully exist

So they were people you worked with, but they didn't intend to work? I'm confused...

Yeah like, supported because of my job, sorry I see how I worded that strangely

"You can't just walk into those countries and demand housing, benefits and access to the health service, why should the UK be any different?"

An EU citizen couldn't GET any benefits or housing unless they could prove right to remain: to get that, they needed to have a job. Once they had that, they were as entitled to be put on the Council House waiting list like anyone else in a particular area.

The Health Service thing is reciprocal: if you break your arm in Warsaw, you'd be treated for free, too.

Oh I see, so they come and say to you that they have no intention of working?

I mean, obviously I'm not saying that there are zero people who don't want to work. But I think they are rare and those that feel that way probably have mental health issues.

@Moomin8 - horrible position for your Finnish friend to be in :-(

@Mordred it really is. She is quite fragile and I'm concerned about her as this whole thing has really affected her mental health.

It’s my right to call you an enabler of racists.
Which you are, for voting leave.

Everyone has been through this so many times and it's done so I really don't understand why people keep re-hashing it. I voted remain too.

The immigration issue was one - our countries infrastructure cannot manage net migration of 100,000 plus annually, it's not manageable.

Benefits being paid to people who did not have dependents here.

Corruption, auditors haven't signed off the accounts for many years now.

Enormous financial imbalance between the other nations in the EU - which isn't sustainable in the long run.

There are many, many more.........you clearly have a chip on your shoulder OP and it's not a pleasant or correct thing to bandy around.

@underneaththeash that is such rubbish. I don't have a chip on my shoulder at all.

But I do think it's disingenuous to say this isn't about free movement,

The reason I started this thread is that the government evidently thinks the first thing that people want to see for them to keep their seats is to address free movement and get it stopped.

There was a big survey about it at the time and immigration was the issue.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-latest-news-leave-eu-immigration-main-reason-european-union-survey-a7811651.html

Was listening to a local radio talk show on this today. It was a phone in and almost without exception the people that called in said ‘this is what we voted for! Well done Boris!’

When the presenter asked them how they proposed the huge gaps in the low-skilled areas.

They neither had a clue nor had any fucks to give. Not sure who they’ll blame as prices start to soar. One had an idea they government need to supplement wages’ Oh, yeah, the Tories are ALL ABOUT funding services for the public....ask a nurse, or a paramedic or a police officer...

Not a fucking clue and they’ve dragged us down with them.

Interesting how people stating somewhat objectionable and prejudiced povs always seem to want to justify themselves by saying 'I voted remain'

underneath, I think net migration is 250,000 not 100,000.

What's wrong with a points-based system? Other countries have it and it doesn't elicit screams of hysteria. I moved to NZ some years ago, had to have a medical, job offer, money in the bank, criminal record check etc. I accepted it as part of moving to that country. 'Freedom of Movement' was also not seen as a good idea for many - great for educated folks able to get good jobs in France, Italy etc - but in such an unevenly matched group of countries the mass of movement was only ever going to be pretty much one way - from the poorer countries to the richer, to those with benefits and good healthcare. I do agree with a PP though that if Cameron's government had put restrictions on immigration, the referendum result might have been different.