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... to think that Priti Patel doesn't sound very nice?

417 replies

BowermansNose · 20/02/2020 11:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8022887/Home-Secretary-Priti-Patel-accused-bullying-creating-atmosphere-fear.html

Daily Mail link, but I'm listening to it on BBC Radio 5. It sounds as if Priti Patel is facing lots of complaints because of the way she treats people. Combine that with her politics, and she just doesn't come across very pleasantly. Can she last in her job treating people like this (assuming it is true).

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AutumnRose1 · 25/02/2020 16:43

Dev “Of course she isn't nice she's racist, not even covertly.”

Who toom?

yellowhammers · 25/02/2020 16:43

Male politicians are accused of many things, some of which are justified, some not.
I have never heard a male politician, including Boris and Trump, accused of "not sounding very nice".
Why on earth does she need to be nice to be effective.
The title of this thread is sexist.
A lot of the content is racist in my view.
She is just doing her job. Just because you don't agree with her politics does not make her "not nice".

Devlesko · 25/02/2020 16:48

RGT for a start. Her new proposals are out and out racist
Don't get me started.

lolaflores · 25/02/2020 16:49

I see Dominic Cummings getting lots of shit about being an unspeakable twat. John Bercow accused of all sorts of bullying. Trump?
I think there isnt a massive streak of misogyny re: Priti. She deserves every piece of criticism.
Did you see her interview where she promised action on acts of counter terrorism? 3 times?
A serious fucker I a serious position who the intelligence service dont trust.
She scares me

AutumnRose1 · 25/02/2020 16:52

Dev - I think that’s an issue about land and living in a way that suits whole communities.

Devlesko · 25/02/2020 16:55

AutumnRose

Definitely, but if individuals are breaking the law, you don't change the law to the detriment of law abiding citizens just because they belong to the same race.
If a white person does something wrong do we threaten to take their homes away because they are white? I don't think so.

AutumnRose1 · 25/02/2020 16:58

Dev, I don’t think that’s what the consultation is doing.

yellowhammers · 25/02/2020 17:05

Lola,
The security services have said that they fully trust PP. the report was denied and known to be false. Her civil servants are briefing against her.

Neither Dominic Cummings (who is doing a fine job) nor John Bercow have ever been accused of " not sounding nice". That is an insult that is only ever thrown at a woman. And it is sexist.

Devlesko · 25/02/2020 17:07

Have a look, it's out and out racism. Punish those who behave rather than those who break the law.

Tarring with the same brush is pretty racist. Even her opening report makes us all out to be law breakers and a menace to society.

Anniegetyourgun · 25/02/2020 17:08

If you think "repugnant" is a kinder (and less potentially racist/sexist?) thing to say about a politician than "doesn't sound very nice", your English comes from a different dictionary than mine. "Repugnant" is quite a personal insult. "Doesn't sound very nice" is not only fairly mild (well, obviously a deliberate understatement, admittedly), but it leaves room for doubt that the person may have been unfairly represented. Most of us, after all, only have the news outlets as a source of information and we know they aren't always impartial. (I was in the Civil Service for 30 years and have friends who are still there, so I do also have a bit of - perhaps now outdated - insight.)

As for the comments that it's better to have a bastard that gets things done than a nice leader who doesn't step on too many toes: it may not be necessary to be nice in order to be effective, but it is perfectly possible to be both. Or if you can't manage effective, which maybe you can't help, at least for the love of God be polite, which is a choice. When you're in charge of a Government Department you don't have to be rude. The underlings have to do as you tell them anyway. Someone has been watching too many old episodes of Yes Minister. Mind you even Sir Humphrey at his most obstructive never refused a direct instruction iirc (ps and he was also fictional).

DGRossetti · 25/02/2020 17:20

The security services have said that they fully trust PP

Well, they would wouldn't they. After all deception is - or is supposed to be - their forte Grin

If they didn't trust PP, then how would we know. Bearing in mind they may also not trust Boris, so he wouldn't know either.

The UK wanted it's own version of Trump & chums, and now it has it in the form of a premier and minster whose security clearance is possibly not as high as their opinions of themselves.

yellowhammers · 25/02/2020 17:54

DG,
What on Earth makes you think that the security services don't trust Boris?
Do you have evidence or are you just spreading malicious gossip?

I accept that PP got terrorism and counter terrorism mixed up. Just like Diane Abbott made a mess of the cost of police numbers when she was being interviewed. Or is it ok for DA because she is in the right party?

But that mistake/blunder does not make her nasty.
She is carrying out the Conservative manifesto pledges.
And it doesn't matter what percentage vote the party did or did not get. They won the election. And have the right to follow through on these promises. Indeed there is an expectation by the electorate for them to do so.

HenHarrier · 25/02/2020 18:12

She didn’t. What she said was completely misrepresented.

Patel claimed she was misquoted. What she actually said was:

"This paper appears to show the government were well aware Ireland will face significant [perishable food supply] issues in a no-deal scenario. Why hasn't this point been pressed home during negotiations?“

Doesn’t seem much of a misquote to me. Aside from the historical illiteracy and dubious morality, it shows her lack of understanding about Irish food security compared to the UK.

Anniegetyourgun · 25/02/2020 18:13

No, it's "ok" for DA (or more accurately, isn't an issue nowadays) because she isn't the Home Secretary! I have a pretty poor memory but I do remember DA was roasted to death on here amongst other places at the time for that very incident. But do we care? She's not in charge of anything so her capacity for fucking up is limited at best.

Anniegetyourgun · 25/02/2020 18:19

Pressed post too soon.

... PP on the other hand is in charge of, among other things, counter terrorism, so it would be really helpful if she were clear on which side of that counter (ha ha) she is supposed to be standing. If she burbles a bunch of nonsense it matters, because she is the Home Secretary, not the shadow HS, not a spokesperson for the Opposition, but the person who is actually in the post. So she really needs to know what the hell she's doing. I don't believe for one moment the nasty old Civil Service deliberately wrote the wrong thing in her briefing notes to make her look bad. They do not do stuff like that. For one thing, by no means all senior Civil Servants are left wing, believe it or not Hmm

youknowitmakessensedunnit · 25/02/2020 18:22

There will be lots of pseudo-moralising by left-wingers who (if you scratch the surface) just cant stand the fact a BAME woman is a successful politician

HenHarrier · 25/02/2020 18:34

What on Earth makes you think that the security services don't trust Boris?
Do you have evidence or are you just spreading malicious gossip?

It was well reported back in 2016/17 that Johnson (as Foreign Secretary) wasn’t trusted by No 10 or some in the intelligence services.

Both Johnson and Patel have form for slipping away and conducting their own little secret foreign missions.

After all, Patel was sacked for sneaking off and conducting completely unofficial talks with Israel. And then said that Johnson and the FCO knew about, which she had to rapidly retract as untrue.

Maybe Johnson did know, hence her being bunged the Home Secretary role as a reward for keeping her trap shut?

Roussette · 25/02/2020 18:34

There will be lots of pseudo-moralising by left-wingers who (if you scratch the surface) just cant stand the fact a BAME woman is a successful politician

Oh don't be ridiculous. I loathe her as much as I loathe the unelected Dominic Cummings. I don't care that she's a woman of indian ethnicity or that he's a patronising nasty twat... it's what they do, what they say and how they act that matters.

Iggly · 25/02/2020 18:36

There will be lots of pseudo-moralising by left-wingers who (if you scratch the surface) just cant stand the fact a BAME woman is a successful politician

I like how people like you deny racism when it’s pointed out in the likes of Diane Abbott criticism but when legitimate criticism is made towards someone like Priti Patel, it is clearly racism.

Honestly, such hypocrisy.

She’s not successful. She’s lucky.

Iggly · 25/02/2020 18:37

But that mistake/blunder does not make her nasty. She is carrying out the Conservative manifesto pledges

She’s nasty because of the stuff she’s said about the death penalty and lazy British workers.

DGRossetti · 25/02/2020 18:45

What on Earth makes you think that the security services don't trust Boris?

He wouldn't be the first PM not to be fully briefed on the activities of the security services.

And it's a pretty obvious axiom that in the world of security clearance, you can't know what you don't know - if Boris isn't cleared he would never know about it.

He was a security worry as Foreign Secretary.

longwayoff · 25/02/2020 19:39

I thought it was fairly well understood that the intelligence service doesn't trust politicians of any stripe. Nor all members of the RF. Their concern is the State, not individuals.

IrmaFayLear · 26/02/2020 08:13

It's funny (peculiar) that some people are a bit picky about who they champion. Say anything about Meghan Markle that isn't even mean and it's report, report, report, yet Priti Patel is fair game.

I guess someone isn't BAME unless their politics is on message. Same as someone isn't gay unless they are of the "correct" political persuasion.

And I bet some people on here would be trumpeting about "being kind". Yeah.

Iggly · 26/02/2020 08:27

It's funny (peculiar) that some people are a bit picky about who they champion. Say anything about Meghan Markle that isn't even mean and it's report, report, report, yet Priti Patel is fair game

What are you talking about?

Do you think PP should get a free pass for advocating the death penalty because she’s brown? Jesus I’ve heard of positive discrimination but that’s nuts.

IrmaFayLear · 26/02/2020 08:31

But you aren't discussing her policies here, there are nasty comments about her. Why is one person deemed to be fragile (eg recent celebrity suicide) yet another considered to be fair game as a punch bag? What if PP had a mental breakdown or worse because of personal abuse? Is that the end game here?