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AIBU?

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Is my Mother BU

124 replies

Warsawa31 · 16/02/2020 19:02

Hi

Would really appreciate some outside perspective.

Our DD is 10 months old, she had a difficult start was in NICU for a few weeks. During that time my mum (and others) called pretty much every day for updates etc.
As you would expect the daily calls turned to weekley and then every ten days of whatever.
However my mum varies on video calling most days to see the baby ( she is local and watches her weekly for us)

She has really helped us with buying prawn mmmm car seat clothes, etc which I really appreciate.

My wife had never really got on with her - they are just different people, but lately my wife is resenting the frequent calls. She said today “your mum isn’t any more special than any other of her grandparents”

I do see her point of view, I feel like in between a rock and hard place tbh and jets effected our relationship.

Myself and my mum didn’t speak more than a few tones a month before DD came along. It doesn’t bother me that she is calling to see her and not specifically for a conversation with me.

Anyway so do you think she is BU to call so often?

YABU - Your wife is right grow a pair and tell your mum to calm down on calling so much

YANBU - she’s your mum and just wants to see DD

Thanks 😊

OP posts:
Darbs76 · 16/02/2020 22:55

Maybe keep the calls to 5 mins. Having lost one parent I’d say it’s just a short time out of your day, your mum wants to be an involved grandparent and I think that’s really nice. It obviously means a lot to her. Your wife needs to understand that and chill. She can go and get a tea / pop to the shops etc if she likes

ineedaholidaynow · 16/02/2020 23:11

Is your wife happy with your MIL looking after the baby once a week?

Cherrysoup · 16/02/2020 23:13

You say it’s affecting your marriage so IMO, it needs to reduce, drastically. You surely can’t continue allowing it if it is becoming such a massive problem and causing you marital problems?

lottiegarbanzo · 16/02/2020 23:18

Are you and/or your wife out at work all day? So with limited evening time together? That is intruded upon every day by your mother?

I think it's a bit much.

lottiegarbanzo · 16/02/2020 23:20

But in the end, what matters is how your wife feels about what happens in her marriage and her family. We cannot absolve you of guilt for continuing to upset your wife.

AnneLovesGilbert · 16/02/2020 23:24

We cannot absolve you of guilt for continuing to upset your wife.

Well indeed. Is that what you’re after OP?

SallySun123 · 16/02/2020 23:26

The fact that you continue to disregard your wife’s wishes to cut down on the calls and then are surprised that she’s angry is a shame. Your wife should be your priority here. Stop showing her that your regard your mother’s feelings over and above hers, and start listening to her. If your mum wants to be involved then that’s great but don’t let it impact your marriage.

InescapableDeath · 16/02/2020 23:30

My parents ring once a week and that's enough for me. When my kids were smaller it was a lot more frequent and I found it quite hard when there was actually nothing new to say and they usually called in a rare moment of downtime.

Thehogfatherstolemycurry · 16/02/2020 23:32

I would find a video call from my mother in law every single day extremely intrusive (or from my mother even)
Every day at the same time you have to be available, your wife maybe feels pressured that your dm is checking up, interfering. She might feel they the house has to be tidy, the child must be clean and happy ect at this point every day or your mum can criticise.
Cut it down to a text, your dm sees the child every week anyway she doesn't need to check up every day you married your wife not your mother!

GiveHerHellFromUs · 16/02/2020 23:34

I suspect if this was the other way round and it was the husband complaining that his wife was video calling with her mum every evening, the results to the vote would be reversed.

I don't know why but I assumed OP was female.

OP, I think every day is too much. It'd drive me potty.
Do you need childcare once a week or is she doing it because she wants to?

Your DW does need to realise this is your mum making an effort though. If her parents want more involvement they need to make the effort too.

Mulhollandmagoo · 16/02/2020 23:51

I think if this was flipped on its head, and the op was on here telling us that her MIL was video calling every day at the same time to look at the baby everyone oils be telling her that her husband needs to cut the apron strings and she needs to put boundaries in place and reduce contact as much as possible so I'm really confused by the replies on here!

But for genuine advise for you OP, I have an 8 month old, and That half an hour where me and my husband all get chance to relax and play with her in-between him getting home and baby having bath/feed/bedtime routine is really special and I wouldn't like it if that was interrupted every day by someone video calling, maybe send you mum some videos and do a video call once a week! You know it upsets your wife and this is supposed to be a really special time for you all, and you are kinda putting your mum's feeling first here!

It's not as awkward as what you think, I had to have the same delicate chat with my mum as she would come round every day after work which happened to be exactly the same time as my husband got home, which I could see was upsetting him, but he's quite passive and wouldn't ever say anything. She'd plonk herself on the sofa with the baby for ages and not take on any subtle cues, so I just politely explained the situation and asked if she could reduce to one or two vists per week and she was MORTIFIED, and very apologetic, she just didn't realise and was a really over excited granny! And now we all get on like a house on fire

Mulhollandmagoo · 16/02/2020 23:53

*would be - not oils be 🤦‍♀️

MrsWhisker · 17/02/2020 06:17

Every day is ott. And intrusive.

Sounds like your mum is a bit obsessed.

That would make me uncomfortable too.

I'd do it once a week. That's plenty.

Does your mum have a full and busy life?

Can't you just put your wife's preferences first instead of your mum?

Jarvisisgod · 17/02/2020 06:38

If the wife was getting calls from her mother and the husband resented it, there would be LTB and controlling advice . Why are men not allowed a relationship with their mother in here? The wife is completely unreasonable and not being able to sleep because of anger for her is concerning when the mother hasn’t done anything wrong. I suspect the posters who say the mother is unreasonable, don’t have a good relationship with their MIL and are projecting. The wife is completely unreasonable

heartsonacake · 17/02/2020 06:46

YABU. Your mother calls far too much and is interfering in your lives. She needs to back off.

Tsubasa1 · 17/02/2020 07:16

Your wife is BU

LooksBetterWithAFilter · 17/02/2020 07:30

I voted YABU not because you talk to your mum every day but because of the video calls.
A few years ago I probably would have thought it wasn’t a problem and that your wife was being unreasonable but now I realise how intrusive such regular video calls can feel. My ex video calls the teenage dc most days now and even if they are in their own rooms they still come out and wander or to shout the other one and it can feel like my ex is in my house every bloody night so even if you go to babies room your mum is still appearing in your house every night and you either take the baby elsewhere or your wife has to go elsewhere. I’d listen to your wife and start cutting these calls down a bit.

Letthemysterybe · 17/02/2020 07:40

I’m on your wife’s side here. I would find daily video calls very intrusive. There is no way that I would answer every day, even if it was my own mother!
My mother in law, and my mother, both upped their contact massively after my first was born. I found it smothering and interfering, and it was yet another change to adjust to. I was happy being a mother, but sometimes I wanted to scream about how my life had gone from friends/fun/work/freedom/etc to daily chats about baby poo and baby sleep with my parents and in laws. I stopped answering my phone. I sent more photos and videos to help them deal with fewer calls.

fuzzymoon · 17/02/2020 07:52

You are not listening to your wife or listening and ignoring her.

I would find that too much. I know if I video called my D every day to talk to my GS it would drive her potty and we are close.

Send your mum a daily little video or some photos and once a week video call.

Show your wife that you have empathy and validate what she is saying by doing something to fix it.

If you don't you will let the relationship between your mum and wife be completely destroyed and unfixable.

Daftodil · 17/02/2020 07:52

I previously posted on this thread to say 5 minute calls from your mum were fine and your wife is cross because her family don't make as much effort (which I still think is the case here), but @Mulhollandmagoo makes a good point:

I have an 8 month old, and That half an hour where me and my husband all get chance to relax and play with her in-between him getting home and baby having bath/feed/bedtime routine is really special and I wouldn't like it if that was interrupted every day by someone video calling

Could your mum call at a different time? Breakfast or lunchtime perhaps? Your mum would get her contact time and your wife would get her uninterrupted bedtime routine.

Alternatively, could you start face timing her family more regularly and see if that changes her mind on the calls?

Disfordarkchocolate · 17/02/2020 07:58

I wouldn't be comfortable with daily calls no matter who it was, not would I make them either.

I think the time the calls are made probably makes them worse. 6 pm is busy for nearly everyone. People haven't been in long, they're looking forward to seeing their partner or having a break from the baby.

I think a video call every day that focuses on her chatting with the baby could also subconsciously remind her of the time when your baby was ill, and that her family aren't very good.

Finally, a call at the same time every day feels planned and not a naturally evolving relationship. To me speaking to someone every day would be a lot less intrusive if there was less routine. So, some days there might be a quick chat in the afternoon, on other days it would be when the baby is in bed. This would be especially true when you see someone face to face each week.

GinUnicorn · 17/02/2020 08:08

I think it would be really positive to show your wife she comes first on this issue. A call once a week is plenty.

Standrewsschool · 17/02/2020 08:08

What happens if you don’t answer the phone? Is your mum upset you are ignoring her, or understanding that you could be in the middle of a nappy change, eating etc?

It’s nice your mum calls, but it needn’t be everyday. Perhaps ignore the video call, and then phone her back later at a more convenient time, and have a five minute chat then.

ToastyFingers · 17/02/2020 10:07

I think every day is a bit intrusive. When she calls do you drop whatever you're doing and your wife has to wait?
Do you always answer, even If it's not convenient?

I find video calls uncomfortable and awkward personally, and I think they're not necessary for someone you see in person every week.

lottiegarbanzo · 17/02/2020 10:09

I've come back to this because, on reflection, some really simple messages bear repeating:

Firstly, one of the simplest, most effective but oft overlooked bits of relationship advice ever: You do not need to understand how somebody else is feeling, in order to believe that they feel that way. All you need to do is recognise that they are a person in their own right, not an extension of you and, listen to what they tell you, extending them the everyday courtesy of believing what they tell you about themselves.

Secondly, especially given the difficult early weeks, it's very possible that your wife might have post-natal depression. It can kick in later, even if not present at the start. It's worth encouraging her to talk to a doctor about this, just to check she's ok and get any help needed.

Thirdly, when you marry, you commit to put your spouse at the centre of your world and to live your lives as partners, working together, always listening to the other and showing them kindness and patience. Of course you maintain family and other relationships too but they become less central as a you form a couple and it is impossible for anyone else to occupy the 'centre of your world' position that your spouse does. How therefore, can you possibly think of your mother as occupying that central position in your life, competing for it with your wife?

That is what your 'rock and a hard place' comment implies. That you have positioned your mother at the centre of your universe, alongside your wife. Having made that schoolboy error, you are now sitting back and watching them compete for a space that only comfortably accommodates one.

You did that. Not your wife, not your mother. You. Therefore you are the only person who can undo it; by kindly, gently, relegating your mother to a 'cherished peripheral' position, beside, not inside, your marriage.

The other thing implied by your 'rock and a hard place comment' is of course that you are the passive focus of others' attention and demands, not an active agent in your own life. If that is the case, you were not enough of an independent adult to commit to marriage in the first place.

This is a classic case of that phenomenon seen so often on MN from the wife's perspective; the man child who hasn't cut the apron strings and presents 'a DH problem, not a MIL problem'. That is, the wife perceives a problem with the MIL but the real problem is her DH, who has failed to develop an adult relationship with his mother and is incapable of asserting himself with her, in the interests of his wife, his marriage and his family (and ultimately himself as an individual too, as, in uncorrected cases, divorce looms, as the only way out of a three-person marriage, for the wife).

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