To ask if you've ever felt like this about a celebrity's death

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I didn't know Caroline and she didn't know me, but I can't shake this feeling of sadness about her death. It's really stopped me in my tracks.

To know that someone else felt like life wasn't worth living is just the most horrendous and awful thing to me. I do believe she would have made it through the court case the other side. I'm wondering what she was thinking during her final moments.

I feel so saddened.

Has anyone else ever felt like this about a celebrity when they've passed? If so, who? It probably sounds really pathetic as I didn't know her, but I can't stop thinking about it

Donkey I can imagine her BF must be really suffering, he must feel tremendous guilt even though he didn't do anything wrong, add to the fact that the last time they spoke was during a huge fight....so sad for everyone involved really.

Yes, her BF really needs to be cared for at the moment. He must be extreamly fragile right now.

I don’t think her management should have publicly blamed the CPS either.

Realistically her management were in the best place to help her. They could have negotiated with ITV. They could have got a top tier PR team to spin the media. They could have got her the best solicitors for her case for the best possible outcome for her. They could have privately arranged counselling/medication/CBT etc for her, especially as it seems that she has had ongoing issues with her mental heath.

I’m not sure why a producer friend was the one on “suicide watch” - sometimes you can’t place suicide prevention on a loved one’s shoulder. She should have had professional support/monitoring.

I thought it was going to be heard at magistrates', not crown court?

The management team and the tabloids rushed to blame the CPS to deflect any criticism of their behaviour. In PR terms, controlling the narrative. I think they have advised her poorly for a long time, personally (ex-PR person here) and I find it interesting that Brady said what he did yesterday in his stream of consciousness posting.

Victoria Wood 😭😭😭

No, Parps, the magistrates heard the initial hearing and sent it to Crown Court. We covered this yesterday. The Mirror reported incorrectly (what a surprise).

The tabloids today have doubled down despicably in their attack on the CPS. There is a real danger of putting domestic violence reporting and prosecution back 20 years.

The whole thing reminds me of that old play - 'An Inspector Calls' by J B Priestley where a young girl dies by suicide. An inspector calls to a house of a wealthy successful family to question them about the death and each of their connection to the girl.

Each of them, completely separately and completely unlinked had done something to her recently, each individual act not being criminal or especially serious but hurtful or damaging in some way.

It slowly becomes apparent that the acts together, collectively drove the girl to despair and suicide.

A play that would do well with being remade today in a modern setting. Our acts individually may seem trivial. Our acts towards a person collectively can be catastrophic.

Thanks ShatnersWig. I didn't get that from the thread at all.

I was rather shook by it. I think I just found it so unexpected

I wasn't going to post on any of these threads - after all I'd never even heard of Caroline before this - but just what the hell's happening here??

The loss of a young life's obviously dreadful for her nearest and dearest, but why are every man and his dog piling in with the angst? Just this morning I've had pop-ups about some Big Brother knuckle dragger who didn't like a tribute, a radio zleb who's been in public tears, a statement from the filthy Russell Brand, some stupidity from Katie Hopkins and on and on

Granted we'll probably hear more since Caroline was "one of their own", but I've not seen competitive grieving like this since Diana died

Unless I’ve missed something she would definitely not have been going to the Crown Court for trial. The offence with which she was charged (assault by beating) is a summary offence meaning it can only be heard in a Magistrates Court. Highbury Corner is a Magistrates Court.

I think that she was clearly a person who suffered from low self esteem and who had been let down by past partners. I suspect given her depression and level of drunkenness that seeing what she thought were cheating text messages would have been very triggering for her. I’m not justifying what she did but I can perhaps see how believing she was being let down again was very hard. There were some reports last week that her boyfriend had been messaging other women recently saying he was no longer in a relationship with her. I really hope that’s not true.

I guess puzzled that the shocking thing about her death is that outwardly she appeared to be such an unlikely candidate. I realise how ridiculous that sounds but I was unaware of her ongoing mental health problems added to which she was absolutely hounded by trolls and tabloids. This is often the way women are treated by the press and in social media....and in great contrast to the treatment meted out to male celebs - Ant McP to name but one.

I dont think there's anything wrong in feeling the way you do. I still feel sad when I think about George Michael. Such an amazingly talented man who brought enjoyment to millions of people, yet he never seemed to be happy himself. I find that quite upsetting and hope he at least knew how much people loved his music.

who slept with a 17 year old

Are you getting Caroline confused with Philip Schofield?

Not sure if this has already been said, but I sobbed my heart out when Magdelen Burns died. Not so much a celebrity but a woman I admired so much for he courage at speaking up for womens rights. For days and days I'd cry unexpectedly for her. She was such an amazing woman and so young to die - but left such a fantastic legacy.

Chris Evans and Billie Piper barely a murmur .Caroline Flack and Harry Styles? She’s at best a Cougar and, at worst, a paedophile! ! Casual every day sexism.

I’d never heard of her but any death is sad.

Ugh she had a fling with Harry Styles when he was 17.

I think you are pushing calling her a paedophile for sleeping with someone who was 17 so over legal age. Not my cup of tea but hey.

Chris Evans and Billie Piper barely a murmur

You're kidding aren't you? The fact that you (and almost everyone else) remembers this happened twenty years down the line - Billie Piper's now 37 - suggests that people were seriously creeped out by it...

Definitely not pedophilia. 17 are post-pubescent usually. Creepy, sure.

I’m not calling her a paedophile I’m saying other people did. Do I find it odd that people in their 30s want relationships with teenagers? Absolutely but I’m making the point that women suffer far more criticism than men do in these sorts of age gap relationships.

I don't think women get vilified more for sleeping with people that age. It's not for me but each to their own.

Her poor mind must have been in an absolute turmoil. It doesn’t bare thinking about. It just shows money certainly doesn’t buy you happiness.