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To Cancel Piano Lessons?

112 replies

RubysRoo · 15/02/2020 19:08

I am not at all a competitive parent. For me my kids having active, full lives where they are happy, have good friendships, work at school to the best of their ability and are kind is more important to me than them being at the best school/top set in class/or any sort of prodigy. But I'm struggling with what to do about piano lesson. Would love to hear other people's opinions.

My 13 DD has been taking piano lessons for 3.5 years. Started b/c she wanted to. No pressure from me. One of 3 dc and she is the only one that takes piano. The same time she started 3 other friend's dc started ranging in age from 7-12 (dd was 10). 3.5 years on all my friend's dc are really doing so well, obviously the older ones on the whole progressing quicker than the younger ones, but my dd not so much. We just had the winter recital today and my dd plays more like the kids who started last term (September). She is clunky, makes many mistakes (every couple bars), and has no fluency to her playing at all. She practices minimally, she practices but not what is expected for her age and level - for example she will play 2 scales make mistakes in both and just carry on, never go back and play them again. She will play 1-2 current songs, loads of mistakes and doesn't do what is suggested like go through the bars she struggles with and just play those a few times, then go back and try the song again. She's 13 so she knows. Her attitude is that it is good enough and move on. Her teacher has addressed this, to no avail.

I wondered if it is to do with musicality. But she's very musical and her year at school had the opportunity to learn strings and she's doing remarkably well (teacher said on par with dc who have lessons outside of school, she doesn't), but she hates it. She also has a lovely voice but hates singing. That doesn't matter but kind of proves it isn't that she can't do it.

Here's my dilemma, these lessons are expensive. I pay £20/week which is £80/month (whether you have lessons in 1/2 term or not, you are charged the same monthly rate) plus the books and other items you need to buy like practice books (both the books with pieces in it and the school's practice recording books), they also charge £20 per family to attend three times a year concerts, and there's an annual registration fee of £50. They also insist on lessons It all adds up to about £100/month year round. That's a huge amount in our budget. And she's really not progressing. I mean I'd go so far as to say it sounds terrible though I'd never say that to her and I comment on positive things as well as make suggestions based on what the teacher put in her practice sheet. The school is amazing and I don't blame them, in 3 years she's had two teachers and it's the same with both, it's her hap hazard attitude that is the issue. She learns a song, stops practising it, and it's gone. Doesn't need to practice anymore as she says she knows the song now it isn't like she'll forget. And of course that's exactly what happened.

Today at the recital it was almost embarrassing and I hate admitting that as a Mum because everything in me says it shouldn't matter what stage she's at. A couple people came came up to us saying what a tricky piece for a beginner and well done for being so brave. Well, she's been playing 3.5 years and it's a piece that all my friends dc mastered within a couple terms of lessons. It's a very large music school, so these people didn't know she wasn't a beginner. All the kids playing the number of years she has are going in for exams at this stage and play with fluency. She honestly wasn't much better than those that started in January, and not even as good as some of the dc who started in September. She just shrugs her shoulders and says oh well.

What do I do? Keep paying £100/month when she won't follow teacher's recommended practice techniques, practices in 5-10 minute bursts with constant mistakes and never tries to fix it, and really isn't progressing? Or tell her unless I see some progress - more to do with attitude and not to do with mastering anything - this is her last term? She doesn't have to be ready to take exams, nor the best, or even amazing, but I think she should be willing to practice well, work at things to learn them and progress. I don't care how fast but progress.

FWIW she loves piano and says how she plays is good enough for her.

What would you do? £1200 for a kid to play a couple songs at the exact same pace/level/skill set over a year or two is truly a massive waste of money. I've spent just shy of £4000 on lessons and honestly she knows a few scales by heart and a song I'm sure she could have taught herself via youtube. I am a single parent, £4000 is a huge amount of money, I could have started proper retirement savings, we could have afforded a nice holiday somewhere like Cornwall for less than the cost of these lessons and I could have saved the rest. This dc is very intelligent - high marks at school - if she put her mind to it she could be at such a different place with her piano playing. I think more than anything I feel disappointment considering the sacrifice to make it happen - when she started I picked up 4 extra hours a week of work in order to make it happen. I already work more than full time hours.

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Serin · 15/02/2020 19:23

You are being completely ridiculous and I say that as someone who also wasted thousands on violin and clarinet lessons for 2 DC who never practised. The only person who benefitted was the music teacher.
You have to love your instrument or it is a total waste of time.
The third DC by comparison was playing pop songs by her 4th lesson and was Grade 7 within 2 years. Then used what she had learned to convert to Harp which she now earns money from.
You are throwing money away. Find something that she loves, be it another instrument or something totally different like sailing or horse riding.
I wish someone had told me that!

Hirsutefirs · 15/02/2020 19:26

You say she loves piano but doesn’t practise.

I don’t get that.

Marshmallow91 · 15/02/2020 19:31

Stop lessons, and just let her practice at home?

RubysRoo · 15/02/2020 19:36

Honestly @Serin and @Hirsutefirs she says she loves it. She looks forward to lessons every week, has a list of songs she wants to learn. It really isn't the more typical case of a parent insisting on lessons and wasting money when dc doesn't want to. My other dc don't take lessons.

I think you are right @Serin the only person benefiting here is the teacher. Though no fault of hers and the school is very lovely.

Marshmellow maybe that's the thing - it's great you love piano, but considering the lack of proper practicing and progress and cost, it's better you continue learning at home on your own. If you work hard at it for next school year, I would consider lessons again in the future. I'm tied into a contract until end of summer term/July, but I think your idea for after that is a good one.

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Ukholidaysaregreat · 15/02/2020 19:37

She can teach herself from youtube. She doesn't like piano that much. Pack those extra hours at work in and have a nice sit down.

RubysRoo · 15/02/2020 19:37

Interesting 60% of people say I'm being unreasonable tho the comments don't support it. I'd love to hear from those people too.

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Vegena · 15/02/2020 19:37

The only person who benefitted was the music teacher.*
*
^^can assure you if there is no practise the teacher has not benefited (regardless of payment).

I agree with PP. if she doesn't start practising she can carry on playing the piano - but will have to watch tutorials on YouTube instead.

Is she wants to continue lessons she must stick to an agreed practise schedule you both agree upon.

Good luck.

RubysRoo · 15/02/2020 19:38

Thanks @Ukholidaysaregreat I think my resentment is building a bit. Not my dd's fault as that's my own issue from too much work and life, but this isn't sustainable how it is.

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JC12345 · 15/02/2020 19:38

Does she still enjoy playing? Doesn't sound like she does currently if she doesn't practice much. Is the type of music she's learning in her lessons of interest to her? There's so much variety of music she could play, maybe a change of teacher might make her more enthusiastic? £20 for half an hour is quite expensive although it depends where you are (I teach piano). Maybe taking a break and seeing if she still plays a bit would work?

RubysRoo · 15/02/2020 19:39

I like that @Vegena

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underneaththeash · 15/02/2020 19:45

Don't stop yet, just say to her she needs to practice or you will stop.

You cannot get better at an instrument unless you practice.

Myotherusernamewastakenagain · 15/02/2020 19:51

Get her a subscription to yousician instead.

MoltoAgitato · 15/02/2020 19:51

I’d give her the benefit of the doubt for another term and tell her unless she seriously commits to an appropriate amount of practice, the lessons stop. Musical instruments are not like swimming (for example) where you can go once a week with the odd family splash and learn to swim, it’s more like reading where you need to practice every day.

I don’t understand why parents pay for music but don’t enforce practice at home. Waste of money.

Skysblue · 15/02/2020 19:56

Tell her she doesn’t have to quit playing piano (assuming she has one at home) but she does have to quit lessons because they are very expensive and she isn’t really progressing. She can teach herself from youtube.

It might actually motivate her!

ChazP · 15/02/2020 19:59

God I could have written this myself! Daughter is 11. Has played piano for about 3 years but seems to be getting nowhere and has no enthusiasm for practising, but says she loves the lessons. We try and make her do 10 minutes a day, but even that is a struggle.

I’ve got no advice - I don’t think you’re unreasonable to carry on the lessons or to stop them. I just wanted to express sympathy from a fellow mug!

Straycatstrut · 15/02/2020 20:00

I'd give her another chance and increase practice time, but like you said, maybe she just isn't musically talented.

When I was with my ex we paid thousands in DS's gymnastics lessons from age 3 to almost 7. Weekly tuition and at home practising and after almost 4 years he couldn't do a handstand or cartwheel, whereas other kids came in, and after a month they were doing it easily. You could just tell he didn't have that natural flexibility, coordination and balance needed. I had to stop the lessons and it just all feels like SUCH a waste, but he did enjoy it at the time, so maybe not so much?

He's now wanting piano lessons Grin.... I got him a keyboard for Christmas (decent Yamaha one) and had bought him some books to self teach (I know it's not the same). I can't afford piano as well as swimming - and he wants to have diving lessons once he's a strong swimmer. Got a 3yo who wants to start swimming and gymnastics too. It's all so expensive! I just think at least with the more active lessons they're getting exercise. I'm more reluctant to pay for music lessons for them to just give up, or not be good enough. That feels like such a waste in the long term.

Elieza · 15/02/2020 20:01

I think the two of you need a good chat.

If she was into piano she’d practice more. I don’t think she likes it. It’s too much money to spend on something she doesn’t love.

Could you either tell her if she doesn’t improve you are stopping the lessons.
Or suggest to her that she tries another instrument if she wants to play her tunes? Guitar or harp or whatever may be more her thing? Piano is hard! Perhaps even singing lessons may be better?

It could be that she wants to do something else like swimming or horse riding or judo. Who knows. It may work out cheaper for these other activities!?

MillennialPink · 15/02/2020 20:01

I'm laughing at your comment that she knows a few scales by heart! If the lessons aren't improving her ability I agree with the other posters who say you should stop paying for them and just let her play at home when she feels like it and let her choose the music that she wants to play. I do think it's wonderful to be able to play a musical instrument. You've done a great thing by giving her the basic groundwork now and she can read music so when she is older (or even much older) she might decide she wants to spend more time at it, or switch to another instrument entirely.

thehorseandhisboy · 15/02/2020 20:02

I think you need to explain it to her in the terms that you've explained it here. She's 13, so old enough to understand.

So, the financial strain on you and what your family could do with the money instead. How frustrating it is that she doesn't practice enough to improve.

If she wants to continue, she needs to demonstrate that to you by practicing properly for an agreed amount of time between now and when your current contract ends.

If she does this, she'll improve. If she doesn't, you'll stop paying for lessons and she can just play herself/from Youtube as she loves it so much.

Quartz2208 · 15/02/2020 20:03

How she plays is enough for her so she doesnt need lessons

I play the flute and I play it now for myself when I am by myself I havent gone above the GRade 4 level (so admittedly higher) for years

Trillis · 15/02/2020 20:03

Is it worth trying a different teacher? Teachers have different styles, and a pupil can stagnate with one but really fly with another. It's about finding a good teacher/pupil 'fit' - not about the teacher being good or bad but whether their style is one that best suits the pupil.

Walkaround · 15/02/2020 20:04

No way would I waste that much money on lessons for someone who was, basically, lazy, slapdash and no good at the piano... Yes, if hard working, keen but hopeless. But not if lazy and hopeless!

Herpesfreesince03 · 15/02/2020 20:09

It depends on how you view extra curricular activities. To me it’s a hobby outside of school for the child to enjoy. You do know that the majority of children who take dance/singing/drama/swimming etc lessons aren’t actually going to become professional dancers/singers/actors/swimmers? Therefore all of their lesson money is actually a ‘waste’ because it doesn’t really go anywhere. You’ve decided at some point that you can afford these lessons and your daughter really enjoys them. I think it’s a little harsh that you’re going to ban them because she’s only progressed so far. So she’s only worth paying out the money for if she does well enough to make you feel food in concerts?

Herpesfreesince03 · 15/02/2020 20:10

Good!

blueshoes · 15/02/2020 20:12

I stopped paying for dd (and ds) piano lessons at around 13 for exactly the same reasons.

Same thing, patchy practising, no progress. The piano teacher said they only scrapped through the Grade 3 ABRSM exams and will not get past Grade 4. Rather than throw good money after bad, I scrapped the whole thing to everyone's relief. No more nagging every day to practise. Joy. We focused on sports which the dcs enjoyed far more.