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To think DH is being ridiculous (and unrealistic, and insane)

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WhatTheCherry · 14/02/2020 17:17

Quick background: looking to buy our first house, 3 DC (2 are his from previous relationship and stay 3 nights a week), pregnant at the moment. DH owns a business which is extremely busy and I work 9-5.

DH wants to buy a house we've seen which is cheap but is essentially a shell. It is completely gutted and on further inspection needs quite a lot of work. No central heating, wood worm in floors so they all need ripping up and replacing, possible issue with roof which we are waiting for surveyor to comment on, needs insulation work. Needs complete cosmetic overhaul as is essentially just floorboards and hanging off wallpaper in every room at the moment. It's a dump basically.

His reasonings for wanting to do it is firstly he can do quite a lot of the work himself and secondly, the houses once done, go for an alright amount in that area.

My reasons for not wanting to do it are:

  1. We wouldn't be able to afford to rent and live somewhere else until it was done so we'd be living in a building site with youngish kids and I'd be pregnant so very possibly a newborn as well by then.
  1. H works all the hours god sends in his extremely busy business. He has worked 6 sometimes 7 day weeks for the past year at least, leaving at 6 in the morning and not getting home until 6/7. He says he'll take 2-3 weeks off to just power through a lot of the bigger things but I know he won't. He stressed about taking a week off at Christmas he's so busy.
  1. We wouldn't have tonnes of money to just throw at it straight away as most of the savings would be eaten up buying it and so my worry is that we'll have to live in a shit tip for months and months whilst we get the funds together again to make it at least slightly nicely livable.

He thinks I just don't want to get stuck in and do any hard work and don't have the 'vision'... I think he's unrealistic about how difficult it will be at this stage in our lives and we should buy something at least mostly done and then put our own stamp on it over the next few years. It would be different if it were just us two but with the kids I think it's unfair.

AIBU to think he's insane?

OP posts:
jackparlabane · 14/02/2020 20:12

If only one of your 1,2,3 were the case, it might be feasible. If you wanted to.

All of them? Hell no!

And I've lived through it, buying a similar wreck and then having kids, and as we've prioritised the kids as needed, it's 10 years later and not finished... Not that I have regrets as we both were well up for it and still love the house and we have been hit with a lot of setbacks with disability, redundancies, etc, but I really, really wouldn't wish it on anyone with any doubts whatsoever.

ChicCroissant · 14/02/2020 20:13

Every house we've ever bought has needed some level of renovation and even I'm saying it's a no! As adults you can rough it for a bit if you need to, but it's a completely different scenario with children - and you'll have a newborn. Just no!

zarek · 14/02/2020 20:19

My friend did this and I though he was crazy. And it was a 10 year project but he got to the situation where he had a beautiful house of much higher value than he could have afforded. Tough but it can work out.

JWrecks · 14/02/2020 20:24

It's much more work than it seems!

DH and I have years and years of DIY renovation under our belts. I come from a looooong line of builders and was born with a power drill in my hand and have helped with my family's business and side projects since I could walk. And DH is genuinely the most capable man I've ever known, and is meticulous with planning and detail. We've all the tools anyone could ever need. We completely gutted and modernised a 100 year old house together, and others as well. We've done DIY together since we met; it's basically our hobby.

So we thought buying a rotted little cottage with "fantastic bones" out in the country and making it lovely would be a piece of piss.

IT IS NOT.

We've been here over 2 years now and done absolutely loads to it - structural repair and reinforcement, electrical wiring, plumbing and gas lines, all new floors, all new bathroom, demolished old and built new outbuildings, and more - in that time, but there is still a mountain left to do.

Still pending:
The entire kitchen needs redoing from top to bottom (except appliances) including all work surfaces and cupboards; all - and I mean ALL - the walls need redoing; replacing old and damaged windows throughout; complete new staircase; fixtures and fittings throughout; replacing the entire heating system; doors and frames; and on and on... Most of that, we discovered needed doing along the way and wasn't planned for when we started. And after all that, we can finally get to the final clean up, then painting, furnishing, decorating, and putting the finishing touches on things. And that's only talking about the interior!

Target completion date: out the window.
Target budget: who knows anymore.
And we have loads of experience in this stuff!

You can plan all you like, but you can never anticipate everything that comes up. All the little snags and setbacks chew up and spit out all of your time and money.

With the time it takes to do the actual work, or have someone in when you can't, it drags on forever, especially when you're both working full time. You'll go to fix one problem that needs repairing, and find there several other things you must repair before you can even get to the main problem, and countless additional bits you didn't expect to buy. Or the work/build/repair simply takes longer than you anticipate. There are always snags and surprises that set you back. We are currently waiting for somebody to do some metal work we cannot do ourselves, and that wait is totally blocking work on about 5 other core projects. Plus there's an expense we didn't expect.

Speaking of expense, whatever you think you'll need, multiply that by infinity. Seriously, at least double it, if not more. With all the snags and surprise expenses, we could have demolished this house and had a beautiful new build here in less than half the time, for under what we've put into it SO FAR. And if you're on a budget like we are, you simply cannot afford to complete some projects immediately and must wait to save up, again setting back the time and holding up other work and leaving your HOME unfinished and uncomfortable.

And sometimes you just need a break from full time building any moment you're not at work, or you'll go mad! Sometimes you cannot bear to arrive home from a long day at your job and immediately pick up a drill or saw or level or plumbob a get on with more manual labour.

And the MESS! Dust and plaster and paint and dust and dirt and chips of wood and stone and sawdust and splinters and tools and gloves and boots did I mention the bloody dust?! It's EVERYWHERE, EVERY MOMENT! It's nearly unliveable and definitely unmanageable. It's as much work as the work itself! It seems like every time I wipe or hoover up dust or dirt, more settles before I finish one swipe!

If you're really talking about a gutted shell like what we bought and you really intend to do as much of it yourselves as possible, think very very hard about whether or not you can even afford the time and money to do it. Carefully consider whether you can bear living in an incomplete house, literally living on a build site, for an indeterminate amount of time.

Picture yourself living in a house full of dust and draft, tripping over power tools, unable to use large portions of the house for great lengths of time or simply doing so horribly uncomfortably, with loads of your things stored or covered or packed away and inaccessible, often helpless to make any progress due to one snag or another. It's bloody difficult at times!

Now, I will say that once we are all finished, this house will be 100% our own creation from the dirt to the roof, exactly as we want it. But we may be dead and gone well before then! Grin Meantime, though, it's maddening and exhausting and frustrating at times. Some days, the lack of progress and the utter state the house is in is properly depressing. I don't think we'll regret it in the end, whenever that may be, but fucking hell it's hard right now.

Feel free to share this post with your DH, and I'm happy to give any further gory detail or advice if you or he would like. I assure you I can help you talk him out of this!

butwhateverfor · 14/02/2020 20:25

It sounds like a recipe for PND to me.

paintedfences · 14/02/2020 20:27

No no no no no no no and no.

Did I mention no?

HeadachesByTheDozen · 14/02/2020 20:34

He thinks I just don't want to get stuck in and do any hard work

Shock What an absolute PIG!! Angry Fuck me, he is joking! He has to be! I would be stunned he said that to me, his PREGNANT wife! He has no caring or protective instincts that's for sure. I wonder how his last relationship broke down? Was he such a rude, thoughtless inconsiderate pig to the mother of his 2 other children, too? Honestly I'd would make he know in no uncertain terms that I was shocked and stunned at his accusation, that I am carrying his child and giving birth to it, HE doesn't know what 'hard work' or labour truly is! What type of prince of a man would expect a heavily pregnant woman to live in a shit hole? Especially when you don't need to, and can afford something better? He really thinks life continues on for you as normal doesn't he, that pregnancy is 'not a big deal' and is not 'hard work in itself'. He has absolutely no idea what you go through, despite having 2 children already. He is oblivious to reality and so self-absorbed he doesn't even consider you! I'm afraid I'd tell him there is no going back from that comment unless he apologised profusely and changed his abhorrent attitude completely 180. Or he can buy the shit hole, live in it himself, and fix it himself!

Oliversmumsarmy · 14/02/2020 20:35

When exactly will either of you have to get anything done.

You both have f/t jobs, children, a pregnancy to cope with. In your position I would look for something that is completely done

user1471449295 · 14/02/2020 20:36

Nope. No way. Wrong time in your life right now

SlowMoFuckingToes · 14/02/2020 20:58

I'm sorry but there is a good reason this man isn't with woman one...save him, you and the new baby from him. Christ.

HeadachesByTheDozen · 14/02/2020 21:01

JudyCoolibar He deserves slapping around (metaphorically, of course) for the comment about you not wanting to do hard work alone. I very much doubt that he has any concept what bloody hard work a newborn is - and looking after a newborn in a shit tip doubles that.

I came sooo close to writing that I would feel like actually doing that to him (for insinuating I, his wife and the mother of his unborn child, is lazy), but didn't want to risk a post deletion for advocating violence or something.

But him to suggest the woman who looks after his DC 3 days a week and who is going to give birth to his child doesn't want to know about hard work and is lazy, that is a breath-gasp 'did-you-really-say-that?!' gasp and staring in shock, mouth wide open moment where I would have to walk away to calm down before I did physically or otherwise lash out. I would be so hurt by such a comment, I'm not sure our relationship could come back from that, to be honest. He treats his wife and mother of his unborn child with barely conceived disdain and as if her baring his child is nothing. I'd lay big money he wasn't involved with his children's births or around to see all the 'hard work' his ex put in day to day with his children.

HeadachesByTheDozen · 14/02/2020 21:02

I'm sorry but there is a good reason this man isn't with woman one...save him, you and the new baby from him. Christ.

Exactly.

PapayaCoconut · 14/02/2020 21:11

The whole house thing sounds like the least of your concerns, frankly. What a horrible selfish man you're married to.

GabsAlot · 14/02/2020 21:14

erm he wants you to muck in whilst pregnant/with a new born in a house with no central heating

id say hes being selfish

DisgruntledGuineaPig · 14/02/2020 21:15

He thinks I just don't want to get stuck in and do any hard work and don't have the 'vision'...

Well the answer to that is "no, no I don't want to do the hard work when in the long run, it won't make us much money. No, no I don't have the vision as I don't think I'd want to live in that house even after the work is done. No, no I dont want to get stuck in, I want to be able to focus on looking after our 3 children, including a newborn that will take lots of attention, I will have to neglect the others to do the work and frankly I think you're asking me to be a shit parent for your vision."

BanSprouts · 14/02/2020 21:25

We recently bought a house that needs renovating and everything takes longer and costs most than you think it will. If I were you I wouldn't even consider it!

rbmilliner · 14/02/2020 21:31

I've always loved a project or so I thought until we had the worst builder in the whole world and a new born. We're 2 years on from the start and if I'm honest no end in sight as we've (or should I say I, husband works long hours) have had to do any thing we can ourselves
I've been close to near nervous breakdown on so many occasions trying to just make it liveable for DD or keep her out of things she shouldn't be in.
For the first year on returning to the property we had to live upstairs sitting on camping chairs because we couldn't afford a kitchen. Basically she's spent her first 2 years of life living on a building site and it's cold, dirty an unsanitary.
We can't invite her friends over or ours for that matter. Everything take twice a long as it pre DD because that's just how life is with tots.
The amount of stress it's put our marriage under is incredible at a time when you don't need extra stress.
Tell him if he wants a project you'll think about it when the babies older (a lot older) and hopefully he'll forget - you really don't want the memories of the babies early years to be spoilt DIY - it's too precious.

Topseyt · 14/02/2020 21:31

Fuck that idea. Nope. Don't do it. He is being totally unrealistic.

That way lie madness and very possibly divorce too.

OrangeBuddha · 14/02/2020 21:51

We bought our first house when I was pregnant with our second child. We were lucky that we got it with nearly new furniture & furnishings as the vendor was moving abroad. We couldn't have survived the arrival of DC2 within a couple of weeks of moving in. We barely had enough time to unpack the important boxes!

Please do not do what your DH is asking for. You'll be stuck with a newborn & 2 step kids & a building site and will be heading for divorce...

Wrongintherightway · 14/02/2020 21:58

I couldn't face a renovation project when I had a toddler and baby on the way,

No just no if you don't want to

Paintedmaypole · 14/02/2020 22:08

I know someone who did this. Her husband added to the chaos by bringing a motorbike into the house. She had a four year old and a newborn. She was under terrible stress and in the end they split up and sold the place before it was finished. Someone else with no kids finished it, it is lovely now. I wouldn't entertain it. The 4 year old did not have a comfortable home and once the baby was mobile it was a nightmare.

LisaSimpsonsbff · 14/02/2020 22:10

My brother is a plumber, almost all his friends are tradesmen and they all exchange free work for each other, so he was very keen to buy a doer-upper. He didn't because he said they were all madly overpriced - people were buying them at prices only just below what similar, finished houses were going for. He would have lost money even with free labour on materials alone, but people were completely unrealistic about the costs of projects like that and so were buying the houses for way more than their actual worth.

AngstyAnnie · 14/02/2020 22:11

DON'T DO IT! Similar situation OP - FIVE years on and the house is still unfinished and I've lost the will to even care I hate it so much now! My husband also works like a maniac in his own business... it will NEVER get done. All it will cause you is stress, utter, complete stress. I was sanding and painting skirting boards with my mum in total desperation when I was overdue with DD1. It was a total shit tip and completely unsuitable for a crawling baby.

No. Just no.

Echobelly · 14/02/2020 22:15

YANBU. But my top tip for these scenarios is don't tell him he's being unrealistic, insane etc as that might make him dig his heels him. Instead let him know why something else is a better idea rather than directly criticising his plan - I've found this works much better with my DH!

Tryingtothinktoday · 14/02/2020 22:19

We did this when we had a newborn and a toddler. But it took almost a year to renovate. I cannot imagine how he expects to do that much work in 2 weeks. I presume it also needs new plumbing and a full rewire. It will take much longer than you think.
Also we lived in a rented house whilst we did up the purchased house. Even then it was tough. I would suggest you don't do this, unless you can afford to live somewhere else whilst the work is taking place.