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To wonder if a lot of people are still against drag ?

743 replies

INXS998 · 12/02/2020 21:41

Shows like Drag Race have become incredibly popular. I have tickets to see the live show in May, and I think drag culture is amazing. It shows how far we have come that such a show is so popular on TV, and I think it should be celebrated.
I asked some friends if they wanted to come to the show with me and they very firmly and quickly told me that they were not fans of that sort of stuff.
When I was a teenager, I used to think Drag Queens were just some middle-aged men on Canal street with a blonde wig and high heels, and I was quite intimidated and scared of them in a way. I wonder if some people still feel that way, and don't judge them for it, just curious.

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SD1978 · 13/02/2020 06:18

Not for me. There is at times a sexual element to it, or mocking women- neither of which I have an urge to expose my daughter to. I don't get the woke need to attend drag library readings just to show how accepting you want to appear to be.

SD1978 · 13/02/2020 06:20

And agree with @TomPinch regarding fetishism- I wouldn't have my kid read to by a man in a latex gimp suit, or an adult in a nappy. Happy to avoid drag time too. As an adult if it's your fetish- all good and enjoy. Preferable not with 10 year old boys although in America sadly this seems to be occurring more too.

Autumn101 · 13/02/2020 06:58

When I was younger it wouldn’t have bothered me but the older I get and am so much more aware it feels more and more uncomfortable.

I went to a drag show on holiday when I was 17, all middle aged men. I have a large chest and they picked up on that and one came over and grabbed one of my breasts. At the time I laughed and found it amusing but now realize how totally inappropriate and downright disgusting that was.

ChicChicChicChiclana · 13/02/2020 07:07

I absolutely loathe drag and have been vocal in my opinions and lost friendships because of it. Being female is not something to parody imvho.

Zurina · 13/02/2020 07:14

I like it, always found drag queens sexually appealing.

Zurina · 13/02/2020 07:15

As for"fetish", do you belueve all the drag kings only do it because it gets their knickers wet? No.

Fairenuff · 13/02/2020 07:23

Well that didn't go as well as planned did it OP? Unless you meant to just start a thread and scarper?

INXS998 · 13/02/2020 07:26

It wasn't planned to go any way, I was interested to hear people's opinions. I fully get the reasons people have listed for being offended, but I still enjoy it and it doesn't offend me at all.

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MrsCollinssettled · 13/02/2020 07:37

OP why would you pay good money to watch misogynistic men take the piss out of women?

It's all well and good to admire the makeup skills but are you not listening to what they are saying?

Those attitudes should firmly belong in the past.

crispysausagerolls · 13/02/2020 07:40

I went to a drag king performance once and it was overly sexual and uncomfortable - and actually quite boring too!

MrsCollinssettled · 13/02/2020 07:42

You may be laughing with them but they're laughing at you

SpaceDinosaur · 13/02/2020 07:42

Drag's like any other art form: subjective.

Also, you get good and bad.

Live drag shows in the states are utter shite as the acts do a little part of their number then spend the rest of the time begging for tips. It's screams of desperation and tack.

That being said, there's lots of good artists out there which I do enjoy.

INXS998 · 13/02/2020 07:46

It's wrong to assume that all drag queens are misognystic. Some definitely are, but many also respect and admire women and that's why they do it.

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TomPinch · 13/02/2020 07:49

I said "fetish", not "sexual fetish", ie, a niche, peculiar and rigorously followed interest. But actually, as everything has to be about sex these days, perhaps "sexual fetish" is right.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 13/02/2020 07:50

When I admire someone, I don't dress up as a caracature of them and take the piss. Do explain in what way they are celebrating or showing their admiration of women.

Lordfrontpaw · 13/02/2020 07:50

Why don’t they dress as male characters and take the micky out of men?

NomDeQwerty · 13/02/2020 07:52

The ones who respect and admire women ..... hmm...they don't dress up as Angela from accounts much do they? Or Sarah the new mum? I wonder why that is.

GCAcademic · 13/02/2020 07:54

What is it, specifically, that they “respect and admire” about women? Someone earlier said that drag queens “celebrate all the good things about being a woman”. But what are those things? And how do they “celebrate” them? I’m finding it hard to grasp what people find so positive about drag queens because none of the assertions about how celebratory of women drag is seem to be grounded in any specifics.

HoneywithLemon · 13/02/2020 07:56

My woke 18 year old said to me the other day ' You know what I'm, I think a lot of drag is misogynistic'. She may have a point.

Persu · 13/02/2020 08:07

I watched a few Drag Race eps out of interest. I didn't dislike the contestants, a lot of them have been through a lot. But I didn't like the drag acts.

The men appropriate a bitchy, slag persona and label it as 'being a woman'. They put on fake boobs, a tonne of make up and declare they're female. And because they're men, it's acceptable, funny and celebrated. It's awful.

My husband watched a bit before asking me what on earth I was watching, he then asked me if women find it offensive, as it seemed so entirely misogynistic.

isabellerossignol · 13/02/2020 08:11

I detest drag. I find it misogynistic and old fashioned and I can't believe that it's socially acceptable. Hate filled mocking of women.

I find it incredible that society can be outraged by white people darkening their skin in the name of dressing up, yet think that fake woman is just a bit of fun.

PineappleDanish · 13/02/2020 08:13

I think men dressing up as an exaggerated, often crude version of "women" is outdated and tacky.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 13/02/2020 08:20

Not sure what your AIBU is so haven't voted.
I find the whole woman face comparison absolutely ridiculous, but each to their own.

flirtygirl · 13/02/2020 08:20

The younger generation and the woke sections of any age group will be wondering what on earth they were thinking in years to come. Drag in libraries and museums.

Drag for kids, self id, drag becoming mainstream. I think it damages us all. T
It takes swipes at women, lumping us all together as bitchy, sexualised and actually unattractive. Why do women need huge fake lashes, long talons, sexy clothing, super high heels, Minnie mouse voices and big hair to be considered attractive? As that's what the drag is doing....

Young people I really feel have got it wrong by accepting the paroding of womanhood in drag and also with a race to the bottom with regards trans issues. There never had to a conflict with women's rights and trans ideology. It was just decided in their wisdom that woman were not losing anything and would be okay with it. Younger people by and large have sleepwalked into this quagmire.

Equality for black people did not mean white people losing out and equality for trans should not mean women losing out yet it does as we were not deemed important enough to protect.

Drag is a similar thing. Marginalising, discounting, laughing at, stereotyping and belittling women.

Op if I was your friend, i would have said no too. But I would not have necessarily let you know why. People who like this type of thing seem to want others to agree and accept their choice. I don't see the need to affirm to you or someone that likes drag that your choice of entertainment is correct. I don't think it is and I won't say so. I'll just keep my mouth shut instead and tell myself each to their own.

StealthPolarBear · 13/02/2020 08:22

I'm buying my true self here and now. As a woman in a dress at the moment, who doesn't usually wear make up. Boobs, average. Celebrate me!!