Michael Barrymore

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I’ve always wondered why his career was so badly damaged by what happened at his house.

It was awful that a man died, but he was never found guilty and it was never proved that he was in any way involved - as far as I remember.

He was so popular before and had a really strong career. AIBU to wonder why people turned against him so quickly?

I don’t mean this to be a goady thread, just generally wondering why he was the ‘only’ fall guy for what happened.

Come on @Logfootlightoe, surely you can see that the pathology reports constitute facts. Simply repeating that the documentary was opinion rather than fact isn’t going to change that. There was some conjecture about what happened to Stuart based on the facts of what the autopsy found.
And there had to be conjecture on that, as the guests refused to speak.
However, Stuart’s body has told us what happened to him. He may have died but the dead can still talk in that respect.

But they could still ask the PA why he chose to take away those items and ask him what he did with them? And ask MB what he did with the bundle he took away when he fled the scene? Innocent people would not have a problem with that.

The PA said he didn’t go near the pool and didn’t take any items. And they have no proof otherwise. If it had been a sealed crime scene then it would have been very different.

I also find it odd that furber and shaw went to shaws house and were later met by Barrymore there? After the incident? So those three fled if I’m correct?
Not just Barrymore

Barrymore has always been horrible. I remember he was on celebrity Come Dine With Me. He was rude, obnoxious and disrespectful to all the hosts, throwing food about, breaking plates etc but was charm personified on his own evening to get the points.
He’s a disgusting person, completely soulless and entirely out for himself. I hope he rots in hell for what he did to Stuart.

It’s no coincidence that this documentary ties in with Barrymores booking on dancing on ice is it? I think it’s known in the industry that he’s trying to rebuild his career and they, rightly, are trying to stop him. I reckon doi were made aware this documentary was coming out and told him that it would not be appropriate for him to be on the show any longer, hence the “ broken wrist” I always found something quite cruel about MB even before this incident. And the fact he blatantly thinks of himself as the victim of all this and not the poor man who was raped and murdered just beggars belief! I’m watching this documentary at the moment and you can see the on the faces of Fiona Phillips and Eamon Holmes when they were interviewing him at the time that they know EXACTLY what he’s like. A narcissistic, self absorbed twat

@Jimineycricket, I thought the same, particularly about Eamon Holmes. He gave a look to the camera when Barrymore was giving it the sob story like .

Whistdixie, I'm sure they were all asked those questions, to be met with 'No comment'.

I think it's all very iffy.

Never really liked MB much. I think he was trying to be the new Bruce Forsyth, but for me was always way ott.

The way he came out, followed by booze and drug use covered in the press was the beginning of his fall from grace.
What happened at his house that night was the nail in his coffin.
Then to try and play the injured party the way he has, with stories that just don't add up, has kept him where he is today.....jobless!

I just don't understand how a person can sustain injuries, that probably accounted for his death, and after all these years all present at the house are still walking free. Even worse is MB still trying to make a come back. First appearing on Piers Morgan, then Dancing on Ice.

Errors were made early on in the investigation, and because of this the culprit/s have never been charged.
Essex Police Force have let Stuart Lubbock and his family down, all very sad.

He was always one of those presenters who made fun (in an unpleasant way) of the contestants on his game shows, it was uncomfortable watching and I could never understand his popularity.
I don't think he will ever be able to revive his career, there are plenty more young presenters coming along who have more charm and ability and established ones who appear to be generally "nice" people (eg Bradley Walsh, Alexander Armstrong)

I watched the documentary and was aghast at the way the police investigation was carried out. Felt so sorry for Stuart's father and brother, still trying to get justice nearly 20 years later.
How can it be right that Stuart was brutally attacked and died at that house and yet no one has been convicted?
The final comment from MB's legal team - maybe he slipped on the pool edge and thus sustained those horrific injuries - was both dismissive and disgusting.

MB sickens me tbh. Hopefully we never see his face on TV again.

MB also said in an interview "stuart didnt sustain ANY injuries at my house"

WTF? neighbours heard him screaming at around 5am and he had horrific internal injuries. Liar.

Also his style of presenting is not fashionable now. It really sits uncomfortably with the modern world. I think things have changed a lot in the last ten years.

He’s got a touch of the end of the pier about him

Also his style of presenting is not fashionable now

Yeah, I found it really uncomfortable watching him grab some woman's arse as he was dragging her onto his lap, climbing on top of someone and trying to look up Susan Boyle's skirt - it seems incredible to me that that was ever acceptable family entertainment.

I watched the documentary last night and have read the court transcript.

I think on the balance of probabilities he knows what happened that night.

The documentary and the fact that he took Essex police to court seeking damages proves that he is a completely self absorbed narcissist.

Essex police really messed up at the beginning of this investigation which has led to nobody being convicted.

I feel so sorry for Stuart's family. This is an absolutely horrific thing to happen to a family member. I hope they get justice one day and that MB never graces our screens again.

I posted earlier and no subsequent poster has changed my mind, for the following reasons:
Fact: nine people present, including Lubbock
Fact: three were women. Not capable of restraining and assaulting Lubbock; even intoxicated he would have fought them off. So he was raped and killed by male(s).
Fact: his injuries included facial marks consistent with suffocating.
Conclusion: Lubbock was restrained by at least one male while being assaulted by another.

Quite likely that more than one was involved because a 31 year old man in fit condition as he was would have been very difficult to restrain even by 2 equivalent men. But we know at minimum 2 did it.

Fact: Barrymore claimed to have been with others at the time of the attack / death.

Conclusion: if he is telling the truth, he knows through a process of elimination who the attackers were. Why hasn’t he told police in no uncertain terms who they must have been?

Fact: Barrymore claimed not to be able to swim. Credibility extremely poor here - his late wife said he could; he was a fit man in early middle age who had owned a mansion with a pool for some years.

Fact: Barrymore fled the scene. Innocent people don’t do this, if there’s been a tragic accident at their home.

Conclusion- not proving guilt but casting suspicion.

Fact: police made a hash of the scene.

Reason: likely star struck by Barrymore, failed to question version of events or realise a drowning very unlikely in a small pool with plenty of adults present, at least some of whom could swim.

Conclusion overall - Barrymore must know far more than he’s admitted; he has never shown proper remorse and frankly looks as guilty as sin to me.

Yeah, I found it really uncomfortable watching him grab some woman's arse as he was dragging her onto his lap, climbing on top of someone and trying to look up Susan Boyle's skirt - it seems incredible to me that that was ever acceptable family entertainment

Interesting isn't it that on camera, with everyone watching, he's quite happy to violate people's personal boundaries for a cheap laugh or to get what he wants. Makes you wonder what he'd do whilst coked up when someone says no to his advances....

I watched the documentary last night and it just leaves a very nasty taste in the mouth. The Lubbock's seem like a vulnerable family who were exploited by the press and Barrymore and let down badly by the police. I think things were very different then unfortunately snd Barrymore's celebrity enabled him to get away with far more then he would today. Like a lot of posters I also thought that Stuart had drowned and thought it was a massive party. The documentary was a real eye opener and there is no way that the people present don't know what happened that night. Even if they didn't see it, they must've heard it. I think it's disgusting that Barrymore tried to blame the hospital or say that the injuries came from Stuart falling over or dive bombing into the pool. The pathologist described the injuries as horrific and the producer of the documentary said he was ripped apart. I truly hope that someone will be convicted now and that Stuart's family can get the justice they deserve. On the local news last night there were reports of several new lines of enquiry following the documentary being shown so I just pray that the truth finally comes out. This was a truly disgusting, violent crime and Barrymore either knows what happened or was part of it, which is what I strongly suspect. He was always a very intimidating, quite aggressive type of comedian who took pleasure in humiliating people for a cheap laugh. Like other posters I never found him funny and he always gave me the creeps. In today's society, people like this can no longer get away with that type of behaviour thank god or hide behind their celebrity so let's just hope the time has come for justice for the Lubbock family

The girls who witnessed this horrific attack would have been terrified into silence.

I wondered if the women were inside chatting/drinking etc when the men went outside (in the cold). Although surely they'd hear screaming, but maybe not if they had loud music on?

Why is it that so many of us, at the time, thought it was a big party with loads of people and that poor Stuart just drowned in the pool?

Well yes. I think we know.

trouble is being in the public eye any whiff of scandal ruins careers whether it is a pop star tv star or politician

Why do people still trot out this crap when it’s shown time and time again that it’s not true when it comes to men?
Robert Wagner
Mike Tyson
Chris Brown
Mel Gibson
Roman Polanski
Woody Allen
OJ Simpson
Sean Penn
Dr. Dre
Jon Lennon
Nicolas Cage
Sean Bean
And on and on the list goes....
And of course, Donald Trump, a lot of scandals around him and he’s running America, hardly a wrecked career is it?

Michael Jackson

The tabloids had a hand in destroying SL reputation with the slant they put on the circumstances to spice it all up and give the public a cheap thrill. All of which has blurred the facts and undermined any sympathy for the victim as a victim and ot somehow complicit in his own death
This. That guy was disgusting. And the way, with no shame he said he'd got into the victims mothers house, knowing she thought he was a police officer is despicable. They could have spent their time phone hacking Michael Barrymore and the guests at the party instead of harrassing the mother of a dead man. They certainly know how! There is a symbiotic relationship between ITV and the tabloids. ITV pay so few people so much money that they have to protect their assets at all costs, or have no one to present their shows (see Ant and Dec, Phil and Holly etc) so will pay the tabloid press to print puff pieces about their presenters and discredit other people (Lisa Armstrong). The tabloids are scum. The people who work there don't deserve to be in the same profession as people who get PTSD reporting from warzones and doing proper investigations into wrongdoing.

I wondered if the women were inside chatting/drinking etc when the men went outside (in the cold). Although surely they'd hear screaming, but maybe not if they had loud music on?
Just because they are women doesn't mean they were poor innocents. They could just as easily have been watching and egging the men on. The pack mentality, plus the drink and drugs does make that plausible, and would be a reason why they havent' come forward either. They didn't say they were chatting in the kitchen with the music on loud. They haven't said anything, after all these years.

I personally did not like MB's style of presentation, so rarely watched any of his TV shows.
The documentary brought out that the police failed to secure the 'crime scene', because they intially thought it was a drowning.
The injuries Stuart received were internal injuries to his anus, so not immediately apparent to the police. The autoposy also discovered he had mild hemorrhaging in the eyes consistent with being strangled (partially). ie they actually said, he may have been held in a headlock.
The scene footage clearly showed items - the pool pump? - that subsequently were missing, but the people present all deny any knowledge.
MB left the scene before the police arrived.
So, the remaining 8 people there all deny any knowledge; MB left the scene, no wonder his career floundered. Justifiably, in my opinion.