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Michael Barrymore

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ChairsAndStairs · 06/02/2020 21:29

I’ve always wondered why his career was so badly damaged by what happened at his house.

It was awful that a man died, but he was never found guilty and it was never proved that he was in any way involved - as far as I remember.

He was so popular before and had a really strong career. AIBU to wonder why people turned against him so quickly?

I don’t mean this to be a goady thread, just generally wondering why he was the ‘only’ fall guy for what happened.

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Wrongplac3wrongtime · 07/02/2020 20:24

Name changed.

DiNATwist No, there isn’t any evidence that Stuart was defiled in the hospital mortuary.

There was an extended attempt by a room full of staff to resuscitate a man with a very low core body temperature who had “drowned” with dry boxer shorts.

MimiLaRue · 07/02/2020 20:25

A hot tub thermometer and a broken shed handle apparently went mysteriously "missing" and they think either of those things could have caused his internal injuries Sad

aroundtheworldyet · 07/02/2020 20:39

I just don’t understand why he would cover up for a person/people

It just doesn’t make sense. His whole career ruined for other random people??

Because his career was horrendously ruined. If he’s dobbed them in, I think he would have been ok.

I met him a few years back. Dating a male friend He was off his head. Bloated face. Slurring his words. He was vile then.

PotholeParadise · 07/02/2020 20:47

In the wake of this documentary and the recent coverage of the Reynard Sinaga trials in Manchester, I think we might see other men coming forward with very serious allegations.

Thesearmsofmine · 07/02/2020 20:49

Poor Stuart, I do hope the truth comes out. It is terrible what happened to him
I think PP are correct that if Barrymore is innocent he would have absolutely given the police information about those guilty in order to save his career, he seems to crave the limelight above anything else.

rockingthelook · 07/02/2020 21:06

The police should have locked up everyone present and charged the lot of them with murder, I'm sure the real Spartacus would have been exposed, if you were innocent I'm sure a life sentence threat would make you tell the truth. If someone died in my home at a party I sure as hell wouldnt rest until the truth was out, a normal person would be horrified and begging for police and medical assistance

Logfootlightoe · 07/02/2020 21:06

It was his choice to declare his sexuality live on stage, he wasn't outed at aLl’

No, not true. A tabloid forced him as they were about to do a big Sunday expose. It destroyed his career pretty much - pre the death in the pool.

SouthWestmom · 07/02/2020 21:11

There would have been a lot of blood in the pool if he was thrown in straight away. Someone must have cleaned up any bedding or mess before dumping him

Celtic1hair · 07/02/2020 21:11

I also think the timeline is so strange- 45 minutes from finding the body to phoning the ambulance. A trauma such as Stuart suffered that night would have bled A LOT. Seems that time was used for disposal of evidence ....nobody without something to hide would wait that long before phoning for help.
From what I remember at the time, press coverage was really sketchy about the tape, more suggestive that it was consentual. The evidence in that documentary was really shocking, and more do that this wasn't more public in the last 19 years. Poor man.

Logfootlightoe · 07/02/2020 21:12

All this speculation, but no evidence. The guy was full of drugs, there is the chance that he actually just drowned.

MarthasGinYard · 07/02/2020 21:14

'All this speculation, but no evidence. The guy was full of drugs, there is the chance that he actually just drowned.'

Read the court transcript

He didn't 'just drown'

DonKeyshot · 07/02/2020 21:25

The only time I want to see Barrymore sully my tv again is when he's arrested for murder or accessory to murder either before or after the fact.

Chinks123 · 07/02/2020 21:33

Thanks @sashh you sound very knowledgeable!

@Logfootlightoe no evidence because as it said in the documentary, the thermometer and a handle went missing when the crime scene was left open. ‘The guy’ Stuart was full of drugs yes but he didn’t drown. The pathologist confirmed he didn’t drown. I’m pretty sure he didn’t cause cause his own anal injuries, clean up his own blood, and change his own boxers after he’d died....

aroundtheworldyet · 07/02/2020 21:39

I just can’t believe the police did nothing.
I presume because he was gay and they just thought it was an orgy so he deserved it?!

Absolutepowercorrupts · 07/02/2020 21:43

@Logfootlightoe
Hello Michael, you're not really convincing anyone with your partisan attitude towards MB

cowboy · 07/02/2020 21:45

He's a crap entertainer, I always found him faintly creepy and the fact that he refused to answer questions shouts of his involvement in the death to me. If he has nothing to hide then why run away? Plus, why make allegations that the injuries on Stewart Lubbock's body were caused after death, at the hospital - did he really think that anyone would believe that, and that it wouldn't be proved when they were inflicted? He's a nasty little worm

Absolutepowercorrupts · 07/02/2020 21:45

Stuart Lubbock wasn't gay and even if he was that doesn't mean he deserved to die in the way that he did.

Wingedharpy · 07/02/2020 21:45

Regarding the involvement of drugs in all this, the documentary last night did state that there was MDMA present in samples taken from Stuart post "drowning".

Reading about MDMA, although not classed as a "date rape" drug as such, it is known by those who want to know such things, as having the ability to make the user lose inhibitions.

While it doesn't render a person unconscious or helpless, it induces euphoria and can increase sexual arousal and sexual risk taking.

The article I read said " MDMA can make people say "yes" to encounters they wouldn't otherwise agree to".

I can imagine Stuart being targetted by sexual predators.
He starts off going along with things, fuelled by drugs and alcohol, then doesn't like/want what is being done to him and starts to fight off his assailant(s).
The effects of the MDMA, make him fight for his life.
He's restrained too forcefully and dies as a result.

Proving any of this would be nigh on impossible now, unless any witnesses are prepared to speak out.
Tragic.

SouthWestmom · 07/02/2020 22:05

He was out at the time wasn't he? And refused to answer questions on the availability of drugs at the inquest.

Maybe, assuming he wasn't an aggressive sexual predator, the other men did it and he was trying to protect his career.

But then I just think why leave? Why take a bundle of things? Why let the thermometer and handle go missing? He must at the least have suspected them being used.

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/02/2020 22:06

@MarthasGinYard do you have a link to the transcript of the hearing please?

MarthasGinYard · 07/02/2020 22:08

Just literally google the names and court transcript and it comes out at the top.

Quite difficult to decipher most of it as I'm not from a legal background but a shocking read regardless.

ParkheadParadise · 07/02/2020 22:15

I really hope the family get the answers and justice they deserve.
No parent should have to bury their child it's heartbreaking.

Highonpotandused · 07/02/2020 22:18

So the police believe Lubbock was raped and murdered and OP is sad about Barrymore’s career? Fuck me.

PickwickThePlockingDodo · 07/02/2020 22:26

No way would he lose his career for something he didn't do, he would've sung like a canary, if it wasn't him

Yes you're right, he bloody would.

NemophilistRebel · 07/02/2020 22:28

@MarthasGinYard any more help as to how to find it? I’ve googled names and court transcript and nothing appearing on google