To be worried about Trump getting a 2nd term

[Gemm83]

Anyone else?

I actually think that he will and quite frankly it scares me.

He actually said that America was respected again, under his presidency. It frightens me that they are a number of individuals in America that will believe this dross.

I thought after 4 years, people would of had enough..now its closer I'm starting to think otherwise 🙄

Thoughts?

@Marold, is that Nate Silver’s concern? I hope he’s correct. I like Warren best, but I don’t think she has a hope in hell on a nationwide basis.

is that Nate Silver’s concern?
It is indeed.

@Margold No it won’t be a knife edge. While agree Bernie will win the democratic nomination( complete idiocy) it also guarantees Trump Victory in November. Sander is too far left to tempt Republicans to vote Democrat and that’s what the Democrats need. A moderate Democrat which Bernie is not. So since we will be stuck with him many moderate Republicans will either stay home or vote party line

I disagree. A significant number of Obama voters switched to trump. You dont win those back with a centrist, poor-man's Obama candidate.

Trump managed to cast himself, somewhat successfully, as an agent of change against the establishment, which would benefit the white working class. Obviously he hasn't now got the record to back that up. I think you may find that a lot of those economically-anxious white folk who switched from Obama to Trump might come to see Bernie as the real 'change' candidate.

My biggest concern for Bernie is whether the more moderate Dems would turn out for him or not but, frankly, I trust them more to be pragmatic than the young, left wing voters in the event that Biden got the nod.

Should also add that Bernie polls well against Trump, albeit not quite as well as Biden.

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html

In theory Biden would be a good candidate but I'd worry about the enthusiam gap but I worry about his propensity to put his foot in his mouth between now and November.

YANBU to be prepared for a second Trump term, but maybe YABU if it's causing you serious concern. It's too early to call - and too early to predict the Dem nominee.

A sitting President has a significant advantage - unless there's some major strike against the current government that people recognise as impacting them directly, and/or some very major excitement around the challenger. The last one-term US President was Bush I, who lost to Clinton in 1992. Before that, Reagan defeated Carter in 1980.

There are a lot of people who just don't care about politics, and will vote for the name they know (or not vote). If cautioning against Trump personally - not just for his politics and style but also for his lack of political experience/record - didn't work in 2016, it won't work in 2020. People who couldn't have imagined a Trump presidency in early 2016 can now. And for most people, the sky has not fallen - nor the market, nor the US dollar.

I'm more worried about the situation in the UK. At least in the US there's the counterbalance of Congress and the chance to change the composition of the House and Senate independently of the Presidential election results (and again in 2 years). There's a real opposition, which even if it can't implement much can guard against the worst excesses. The split is a lot narrower - (80 seat majority in the HoC, FFS!) And there's the counterbalance of the State governments and legislatures, which the Federal government can't touch.

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I don’t think he’ll make it. He’s slurry, jerky, twitchy and his gait has gone. The laughter in the above clip is a bit sick but those separate slurring, jerking episodes are concerning.

Anyone who has seen progressive neurological deterioration can see that the writing’s on the wall.

I think the Dems will turn out for whoever their candidate is and support them wholeheartedly, unlike last time where the Dems who backed Sanders didn't want to back Clinton.

You won't be getting the "3rd party" votes this time around either. There's no Jill Stein and whoever the hell else people threw away their votes too.

The concern is the electoral college. It gives undue power to the lease populated (least educated) states. Unfortunately I fear the majority of the people in those states lack the critical thought needed to see past Trumps cult of personality (as demonstrated time and again in threads like these). They're sheep.

The only benefit the whole impeachment debacle, the whole Trump administration as a whole, has been that the flaws in the American system, and massive inequality between the wealthier more educated states and the poorer, less educated states, and the lie of "freedom" that dominates American ideology and makes them isolationist and myopic i.e. freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, etc. has been laid bare.

I saw an article the other day saying the American experiment is over and asking what comes next, and I completely agree. The dream of American Democracy is dead. What next?

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Look at this body jerk (plus slurring) during SOTU address. They can only prop him up for so long.

He was always going to win another term, regardless what you and I think the majority of the US in power love him. Nancy did him a massive favour acting as she did in the impeachment. Now even those new voters on the fence previously will vote for him. His opponents acting the way they are are his biggest assets

He'll get a second term.

I thought the Mitt Romney speech was extremely Powerful

No doubt in my mind he will get in again and like Labour did with the Tories the Democrats will be the cause of it.

I'm not so sure ...I think it could all unravel for Trump now

We have certainly done better under the Trump administration than we would have done under Hillary Clinton. Or any current Dem for that matter.

How?

I'd bet my bottom dollar he'll get in again and the only people to blame for the are the Democrats

Book incoming...

Here's the thing. Forums such as this are a skewed sample of actual sentiment. They tend to be self selecting and self feeding echo chambers, and not really an accurate gauge. Most voters for the USA 2020 elections are not really paying close attention to the close details and political minutiae yet, and what information they are getting, they are getting from their facebook feeds, and cable networks.

I think perhaps the biggest issue the democrats are going to be facing this fall is absolutely one of their own making, and one that proves they did not learn their lesson from the last go round. The hysterics, hyperbole, histrionics, and extreme doom language that dominated and continue to dominate the left's narrative will be their undoing.

The -ist and -phobe type words have been so over played and misused that they no longer have any meaning, no longer have any impact. Perfect example of this is right here in this thread...Concentration Camp. While yes, by the strict dictionary definition of concentration camp could be applied to the detention centers, the conventional imagery the term conjours is wildly disproportionate. It's almost a form of gaslighting, and to the average voter, it just makes them look nuts and hysterical.

The average voter, and likely most voters are not activists for any cause. They are not single issue voters. Not that they don't care about the cause, they may even be sympathetic but their concerns are far more personal. How is my family doing? Do we have jobs? Do we have a roof over our head, food on the table? Can I watch stuff on the television? And for the majority of americans right now, things aren't going to terribly badly.

The problem the progressive left has is that they are continuing to run based on who they wish the electorate would be rather than who the electorate actually is. I think the poster child example of that is the gender pay gap. Equal pay for equal work. In a country where most jobs are service sector with hourly wages, the gender pay gap is not something most voters, even women voters, can personally relate to, not something they can personally see.

Then when faced with the task of helping people understand why they should care about something that doesn't personally affect them, the democrat response is to simply call them names. And like it or not, at least in the USA, a sizable majority, not plurality, but actual majority of voters are white, hetero sexual, christians. The left has been dismissing them wholesale, even those who are sympathetic, but not sympathetic enough, or sympathetic in the wrong way.

Enjoyed Conway in the WaPo today

"I believe the president, and in the president.

I believe the Senate is right to acquit the president. I believe a fair trial is one with no witnesses, and that the trial was therefore fair. I believe the House was unfair because it found evidence against him. I believe that if the president does something that he believes will get himself reelected, that’s in the public interest and can’t be the kind of thing that results in impeachment.

I believe former national security adviser John Bolton has no relevant testimony because he didn’t leave the White House on good terms.

I believe the president’s call was perfect. I believe he is deeply concerned about corruption in Ukraine. I believe the president can find Ukraine on a map.

I believe Ukraine interfered with the 2016 election, and that the intelligence community’s suggestion otherwise is a Deep State lie. I believe the Democratic National Committee server is in Ukraine, where CrowdStrike hid it.

I believe President Barack Obama placed a “tapp” on the president’s phones in 2016, and that the Russia investigation was a plot to keep him from winning, even though the plotters didn’t think he could win.

I believe former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III was conflicted because he quit one of the president’s golf clubs, and that he and his Angry Democrats conducted a Witch Hunt to destroy the president. But I believe Mueller’s report totally exonerated the president, because it found no collusion and no obstruction.

I believe it would be okay for the president to say he grabs women by their p-s, because he is a star, and stars are allowed to do that. But I believe he didn’t say that, even though he apologized for it, because I believe the “Access Hollywood” tape was doctored, because he said it was.

I believe E. Jean Carroll lied when she accused the president of rape, because he said she’s not his type. I believe the dozens of other women who accused him of sexual misconduct are also lying, because he would never think of grabbing them by their p-s or anything else.

I believe the president didn’t know Michael Cohen was paying off porn star Stormy Daniels, and that Cohen did it on his own, because the president had no reason to pay her off. I believe the president was reimbursing Cohen for his legal expertise.

I believe the president is a good Christian, because TV pastors say so, and that it’s okay he doesn’t ask for God’s forgiveness, because he doesn’t need to, since he’s the Chosen One. I believe the president knows the Bible, and that two Corinthians are better than one.

I believe the president wants to release his taxes but has not because he’s under audit, which is why he has fought all the way to the Supreme Court not to disclose them. I believe he will disclose them when the audit is over, and that they will show him to be as rich and honest as he says he is.

I believe the president is a very stable genius, and that he repeatedly tells us so because it’s true.

I believe the president can spell. I believe any spelling mistakes he makes are because he’s a very busy man who doesn’t watch much TV, or because he’s intentionally triggering the libs.

I believe Hurricane Dorian was headed straight for Alabama. I believe the president’s map wasn’t altered with a Sharpie, and that if it was, he didn’t do it, since he didn’t need to because he was right.

I believe the president didn’t call Apple’s CEO “Tim Apple,” and that he said “Tim Cook of Apple” really, really fast, but that if he did say “Tim Apple,” it was to save words, which he always tries to do.

I believe windmills are bad and cause cancer. I believe there was a mass shooting in Toledo and that there were airports during the Revolution, because the president said so.

I believe the president is defeating socialism, despite the subsidies he’s paying to save farmers from his protectionism and the $3.2 trillion he’s added to the national debt during his term.

I believe the president has made tremendous progress building the wall, that Mexico paid for it in the trade deal, that the wall will soon run from San Diego to the Gulf of Mexico, that it will stop those caravans cold, and that it won’t fall down.

I believe the president has a 95 percent approval rating among Republicans, and that there’s no need to cite polls for that.

I believe the president had the largest inaugural crowd ever, regardless of what any photos from liberal bureaucrats might show.

I believe there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea.

I believe China pays all tariffs levied on imported Chinese goods.

I believe the president is truthful. I believe the Fake News media lied each of the 16,241 times they have said he has made a false or misleading claim.

I believe the president is selfless, and always puts the nation’s interests first. I believe he isn’t a narcissist, but he’d be entitled to be one if he were one. I believe the president would never exercise his presidential powers to advance his personal interests, but if he did, that would be okay, because whatever is in his personal interests is necessarily in the nation’s interests as well.

I believe Article II of the Constitution gives the president the right to do whatever he wants."

The Republicans are 100% giving Trump a dictatorship. They are handing it to him on a silver platter.

Because he is a Hitler level idiot that controls an astounding cult of followers

America is dead. That's not exaggerating, he is following Hitler playbook to ultimate power move by move.

The Republicans are 100% giving Trump a dictatorship. They are handing it to him on a silver platter.

Because he is a Hitler level idiot that controls an astounding cult of followers

America is dead. That's not exaggerating, he is following Hitler playbook to ultimate power move by move.

@HulksPurplePanties

I think the Dems will turn out for whoever their candidate is and support them wholeheartedly, unlike last time where the Dems who backed Sanders didn't want to back Clinton.
I hope you're right but suspect otherwise. The losing dem candidate's supporters often flip to the Republican candidate. When Obama beat Hillary to the nomination, more Hillary supporters went to McCain than Sanders supporters went to Trump last time. I fear that social media will accentuate the in-fighting this time out.

trump is a useful idiot, pushing boundaries and making a new normal so that when someone with an intellect gets in they can really capitalise on the power grabs that he's made
he's testing the water for the next occupant, showing them what people will and wont put up with, how to get away with things in plain sight etc

America is dead. That's not exaggerating, he is following Hitler playbook to ultimate power move by move.

America isn't dead. If Trump wins another term - then it's all up in the air in 2024. There'll be a reshuffle of the Republicans (I'm personally completely relaxed about Ivanka 2024 - go ahead and split the Trumpet vote with Pence; it lets others in). And there will be a reshuffled crop of Dems, too - including some who are sitting 2020 out, or perceived as too inexperienced this time around.

What I'd worry about is that whatever playbook Trump is using, Boris Johnson is reading out loud from it as fast as he can run his finger along the text - the "no access for media outlets I don't like!" stunt the other day being a prime example. And the UK is not the USA - nowhere near as large and diverse, not nearly as resiliant, and with none of the special protections the US has in global marketplaces.

The USA can and likely will come out of the Trump era relatively unscathed, although who knows if it will pick something even worse to follow? But the faux-USA UK is well and truly in the soup, and I'm not sure who is left to turn down the burner.

Why do people get so wound up about things which are so inevitable? What good does it do, except make the worrier ill?
He's going to get it, accept it and move on.
He is worshipped in much of America. I know there will be replies to the contrary and Hollywood types slate him and the more liberal coasts detest him but in the vast bits of America in the middle, the flyover states, he can do no wrong.