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AIBU to ask you if you are worried about the new Coronavirus?

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IvyBush123 · 04/02/2020 06:41

I am not sure if there is reason to worry about the new Coronavirus. I am not a medical expert but to be honest feel a bit scared because we know so little and some experts seem worried. How do you think?

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woodchuck99 · 04/02/2020 13:11

Oh and worrying about eating a Chinese take away is just standard white person low level racism.

And calling anyone who suggests that at the moment there is a greater risk of catching this from someone who is chinese than anyone else racist is low level stupidity. As I said wouldn't avoid takeaway's that doesn't involve being in prolonged close contact with anyone. Avoiding situations where you are in close proximity to a lot of Chinese people at the moment is common sense. My guess is that many Chinese people in this country are doing the same thing and they are certainly quite likely to be wearing facemasks which makes the accusation of racism even more stupid.

kirinm · 04/02/2020 13:13

Just read that the UK have suggested that Brits leave China if they can. I'm guessing it's more than "nothing to worry about".

Funkycats · 04/02/2020 13:14

Im not worrying, because it won't help. I am always consistent about washing my hands and not touching my face with unwashed hands.
I also keep plenty of the the things we need at home, so if there was an outbreak we could stay at home if necessary.
So basically, I do what I can, and stay relaxed.

HowlsMovingBungalow · 04/02/2020 13:15

Do Chinese people who don't work in or own food businesses walk around with a sign around their necks? - I wouldn't know who is Chinese in my town.

Originalyellowbelly · 04/02/2020 13:15

30,000 British people in living and working in China, have we got the resources to quarantine this many if they all come back, and where will they live once out of quarantine?

PhilCornwall1 · 04/02/2020 13:16

My guess is that many Chinese people in this country are doing the same thing

You make quite a few guesses, isn't it always better to have facts?

Guesses are worth nothing.

kirinm · 04/02/2020 13:17

@originalyellowbelly that's one of the issues around whether people should be worried or not. The NHS does not have the resources to deal with this.

SidsWife · 04/02/2020 13:17

I’m not worried about. The racism from it is effecting me and my kids though.

PotholeParadise · 04/02/2020 13:19

NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite

It's February. If she and family went in December, they'd have come down with it by now.

woodchuck99 · 04/02/2020 13:24

You make quite a few guesses, isn't it always better to have facts?

My fact is that the Chinese students in York were very concerned about the fact that the person with coronavirus was a student there. Many are wearing masks at the moment there and elsewhere in the country. This suggests that if anything they are more concerned than the rest of us which is not surprising as they are likely to have more contact with other Chinese people at this time of year.

GeePipe · 04/02/2020 13:24

I am worried about it. The speed of the hospital being built in china 5 days! The fact whole cities being shut off. The chinese economy taking a huge hit. The british government sending planes for british citizens. Quarentine at arrowe park (right by my flat). The fact its been proven infectious before symptoms start and the fact people who havent died from it also havent recovered. The suggestion that many more deaths and people infected is much higher than the china is suggesting. The WHO and every government aroumd the world being concerned.And the fact the virus mutated from bats to human to human very very quickly are all reasons why i think we should be very vigilant and aware rather than bloody jeff and linda from skegness said dont worry about it you will be fine Hmm. My neighbours are chinese and recently returned from hong kong and i havent heard from them in 2 weeks so im a little worried as one of them is old hopefully he is ok though and i see them this week.

Letsallscreamatthesistene · 04/02/2020 13:25

FFS

How do you think it matters if it's a round or a rod shaped virus?

My original point was about infectiousness vs mortality and my argument was just because something is highly infectious doesnt mean itll kill you. Hence morphology etc etc etc.

Also, dont swear at me. Theres no need for it. All your responses have been more aggressive than they need to be.

Letsallscreamatthesistene · 04/02/2020 13:27

The NHS does not have the resources to deal with this

Working in the NHS, I wholeheartedly agree with this. We absolutely do not have the resources to support a crisis (as is happening in China) and maintain the level of service we provide now.

GeePipe · 04/02/2020 13:29

Also as a pp mentioned her 21 year old healthy son getting swine flu and being very very ill despite having been very healthy previously, i was the same. Swine flu aged 16 where i was incredibly ill for 9 weeks lost 2 stone couldnt eat or remain conscious for longer than 5 minute spells, had a severe rash and eventually lost my hair from it. I had previously been a normal healthy teenager. So yeah i am very worried about a new virus.

Originalyellowbelly · 04/02/2020 13:41

I'm worried too, I am elderly and have respiratory problems so would probably be in the highest risk group. It also worries me as I don't remember China building a hospital so quickly when there has been other outbreaks of viruses or essentially locking down the country. I don't think we are being told the truth about the severity of this virus.

RedToothBrush · 04/02/2020 13:51

Reports today are saying that there are local transmissions (someone infected who has not been to China) in both Hong Kong and in Singapore. The more of these that occur the more worrying it gets, especially if we have a case where no indirect link to China can be found.

There does look to be more understanding of the virus itself too though. There is a growing consensus that they think (note this is still a hypothesis rather than proven) that it enters the body through ACE-2 receptors. If this holds to be true that would mean certain populations are more vulnerable than others. ACE-2 Receptors are connected to high blood pressure and diabetes and form a risk profile accordingly. There is a difference between the number men and women have for example. As well, potentially between different racial backgrounds which might be exacerbated by local health care standards which might lead to higher rates of infection and complications (and ultimately deaths) in different groups.

Eg, in places where high blood pressure and diabetes are less diagnosed and managed or populations which have a higher risk of high blood pressure and diabetes there might be a lot more problems than somewhere like the UK which has universal access to health care, higher awareness of those conditions, more management of those conditions and a population which is less susceptible to those conditions due to genetic differences because there is liable to be a lower infection and complication rate.

Thus the NHS might already be preventative by meaning our population is more resilient before a pandemic. And we will have a bit more 'herd immunity' than some places internationally too.

It means that China might have always been much more vulnerable to Coronavirus too. This has got less to do with cultural practices and a lot more to do with levels of poverty, basic healthcare access, health research and access.

The xenophobia about coronavirus is appalling. It also fails to recognise that our understanding of ACE-2 receptors is based on research primarily on white people and this might have left us all more vulnerable to coronavirus since we have a gap in understanding how different genetic populations have different health risks. I'm not sure I've seen anyone even mention this failure. If research by the rest of the world had more genetic diversity it might help across the board.

Someone of Chinese heritage in the UK is also not directly comparable to someone from China for these reasons too (and that includes if they have recently travelled to and from China).

So even IF there is a pandemic the effects here are likely to be different here to China.

All the information that is presently available does point to the potential of a pandemic in the UK being lesser than in China.

All this is before you look at differences in healthcare standards for actual treatment of cases. And as always prevention is easier than cure.

You can't speculate on what may (or may not) be happening in China and say that's directly applicable to the UK if it does come here for this reason. Its certainly no reason to be complicency about it though. As many preventative measures as possible are needed.

We also have the benefit of time here in the uk: Professor Brian Cox has linked on twitter to a good thread on 'the real time science' on this (with the cavat that what's being suggested about coronavirus is still developing and not peer reviewed so it's quality isnt as high as with known diseases). This thread pointed out that what similarities can be found with other diseases can be used to help work out what's most likely to be effective and what's not. And since there is an international fear of coronavirus, political will and investment in research is going to be really high.

If I'm honest, I would not like to be in China right now as I suspect it to be far worse than we known for various reasons. On the other hand I'm cautiously keeping an eye on how it progresses in the next couple of weeks, but I'm not going out and stockpiling or buying medical masks because i don't calculate the risk in the UK to be that high at the moment. Even if you are someone who is potentially more at risk.

I think it's easy to get swept up with the scary videos and stories coming out of China, which are utterly heartbreaking at times, and lose all sense of proportionality and risk assessment.

I think we will have a better idea of where things are in a fortnight and the risk of being infected in the UK in the next fortnight is definitely low regardless of the infection rate, death rate, complication rate or any other kind of rate.

I think it's worth being vigilant and practising basic hygiene but self isolation definitely is a disproportionate response, at this point at least.

woodchuck99 · 04/02/2020 13:51

It also worries me as I don't remember China building a hospital so quickly when there has been other outbreaks of viruses or essentially locking down the country. I don't think we are being told the truth about the severity of this virus.

It is worrying although it could mean that they are just clamping down on it. I am hopeful that it works and we start to see the number of cases in China drop. I am very concerned that they haven't reported many recoveries though.

PhilCornwall1 · 04/02/2020 13:53

I don't think we are being told the truth about the severity of this virus.

No government ever tells the truth, there is no surprise there. It could well be many times worse than we are being led to believe, but we will never be told. We all just aren't that important, or indeed important at all to them.

This is why I'm just getting on as normal and if the worst happens, then it happens.

kirinm · 04/02/2020 13:54

Doesn't it seem odd that the Foreign office are telling British citizens to leave? Does that usually happen or do they know a lot more than they are letting on? (I'm afraid I can't remember anything about SARS and how that was dealt with).

FourTeaFallOut · 04/02/2020 14:01

Sorry, RedToothBrush, that was a really helpful post but I think I'm being dense...When you speak about vulnerability to coronavirus, do you mean vulnerable to contacting the illness or vulnerable to the severe outcomes of contracting the illness, or both?

RedToothBrush · 04/02/2020 14:02

China quite obviously has and continues to surpress information about how bad the situation is in infected areas.

It's quite clearly a lot worse than they are letting on.

On the other hand, being honest about it would most likely cause widespread panic and other major issues which might make this problem worse or create others which pose a threat to the lives of huge numbers of people.

No easy solutions on this one. I'm not sure debating whether it's right or wrong helps or not tbh.

I'm pretty sure governments across the world are well aware that China isnt being totally transparent and are planning with that in mind too.

BellatrixLestat · 04/02/2020 14:05

I work with Chinese nationals on a daily basis so yes I'm worried, personally.

But not to the point of hysteria. Just cautious with hand washing and sanitising.

RedToothBrush · 04/02/2020 14:09

When you speak about vulnerability to coronavirus, do you mean vulnerable to contacting the illness or vulnerable to the severe outcomes of contracting the illness, or both?

The suggestion is both from what I've read.

If it enters the body through a particular cell then the hypothesis is if you have a greater concentration of those cells you are more likely to be at risk.

There are therefore certain people who are more at risk of infection than others to begin with.

Also

If you have a higher concentration of those cells and they are linked to heart conditions and diabetes (as would be the case if its linked to ACE-2 receptors) you also have a greater risk of complications because your body is less able to deal with any severe infection anyway.

I'm not a medic so I'm reading as a lay person but that does seem to be what's being implied.

Interestingly the Lancet study of 99 people said more men were infected than women but they didn't know whether that was due to the initial source of the infection and men more likely to work there, wider cultural patterns of gendered behaviour or because there was a difference of risk of infection between men and women at that point.

woodchuck99 · 04/02/2020 14:12

On the other hand, being honest about it would most likely cause widespread panic and other major issues which might make this problem worse or create others which pose a threat to the lives of huge numbers of people.

I think that's a rather patronising attitude and is similar to 30 years ago when doctors didn't tell patients about the potential side-effects of medicines. It is generally accepted in the medical profession at least that you need to give people the facts so that they can make their own decisions. As soon as people feel that things are being hidden from them as they do now they start to behave as I would do in the worst case scenario anyway.

FourTeaFallOut · 04/02/2020 14:15

Thank you redtoothbrush

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