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to be heartbroken

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MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 12:35

It's a beautiful, sunny day. I am healthy. I have a new job, which I love. I also love my DH and kids and I am loved by them. We own a good home, a 'machine for living in', with room for everyone, and we can afford food and occasional treats such as days out and holidays. We bake bread, make muffins (which sometimes turn out to be edible) and go support our local football team. We are all reasonably educated and articulate, fully tax solvent and in socially meaningful professions (that's me and DH, our kids are in education).

And yet, there is a definitely low mood in the house today, and this is not just because I am recovering from clinical depression. Today, even if nothing seems different, is the first day of my life as an 'outsider'. I am no longer a EU citizen in my own country but officially an 'other'. An immigrant.

I am now somebody who needs to prove their right to be here, in their own home. Another layer of bureaucracy, more practical struggles. But it's the change in my 'status' that breaks my heart. I am no longer part of this country which I have made my home for the last twenty years.

Yes, I have 'settled status', an invisible document, which I have obtained in a much less easy way that the government would like you to think (for instance I could not use my iPhone to register as it only worked on android phones). An invisible document which proclaims to be valid until it's valid. No doubt in the future there will be more hoops to jumps, more papers to fill and i just hope these hoops and jumps will come when I am fit, young and tech-savy enough to be able to jump them.

I will, of course, snap out of this, but at the moment I am, I think not unreasonably, heartbroken.

And my biggest heartbreak is not for me - Katie Hopkins compared immigrants to cockroaches for our resilience and, ultimately, I am resilient. When I realised the industry I was in was getting destroyed by Brexit and austerity I got another job. I have qualifications and skills. I will survive in my immigrant-coackrochy ways.

No, my biggest heartbreak is for Britain itself, for the people who have been interviewed on TV who are celebrating Brexit without being able to articulate one single benefit of it to their life. I have lived in this country long enough to have seen another Britain, a multicultural, vibrant, accepting country, where having an accent and coming from somewhere else was considered an exciting, interesting thing. I can still see that in some enlightened places, which are increasingly engulfed by the darkness of 'patriotism'.

I guess I am heartbroken because I had not only imagined a brighter future, I had seen how great things can be, and now the lights are going off.

We are discussing moving to Scotland or Ireland. It would be easy for me and my DH but harder on their kids. They are born in England, they are English. What to do - stay and resists? Move?

I do not know yet. I will know soon, we will talk and make plans.

But today I am heartbroken.

OP posts:
BurneyFanny · 01/02/2020 18:05

@NomdeDieu I think you're misreading me. J'habite en France depuis vingt-deux ans, je suis fonctionnaire d'état, j'ai un mari et des enfants français. Et je me retrouve soudain spoliée de mon statut d'européenne, obligée de passer des heures à la préfecture pour demande de carte de séjour pour la première fois depuis 2001. Donc je comprends tout à fait votre ressenti.

Longwhiskers14 · 01/02/2020 18:06

TiddlestheCat Sorry, but who are you to dictate how people are feeling? The dictionary definition of heartbroken is "suffering from overwhelming distress" – many EU immigrants waking up in the EU today will be feeling exactly that.

aroundtheworldyet · 01/02/2020 18:09

NomDeDieu
I mean, that just sounds like utter crap. But I’d be happy to be proved wrong. I’ve looked up the rules. And even if you do get pre-settled status you can apply for full settled status after 5 years.

www.freemovement.org.uk/how-to-apply-for-settled-status-temporary-status-brexit/

But wail away. France is equally awful for forms!!
This literally sounds likes the easiest way to stay in a country I’ve ever heard of.

NomDeDieu · 01/02/2020 18:12

@BurneyFanny, desolee!!

C'est un sujet sensible.

BurneyFanny · 01/02/2020 18:13

Not easier than fricking FOM, is it?

doolallylala · 01/02/2020 18:13

I'm pretty sure that in London around 70% of babies have one or two parents born outside the UK. Whatever I'm meant to be fitting into I fit into that!

StarbucksSmarterSister · 01/02/2020 18:16

I was asking the OP and not you StarBucks. That is a losing attitude btw.

Forgive me, in all the time I've been on here I've never been made aware we weren't allowed to answer questions addressed to others, especially when they've not been around for a couple of hours . Biscuit

No idea what the "losing attitude" comment means.

RunForBurritos · 01/02/2020 18:16

Completely agree long whiskers.
I hope that the PP's daughter who is in hospital recovers, what a horrible thing for that family to go through.

Still, people feel sadness for a plethora of reasons and can call it what they like.

It's not like the OP is feeling sad about a hole in her sock.

As for the sign, I really wish people wouldn't share it.
Some sad bloke has finally worked out how to use a printer and demands that everyone speaks proper English, but has failed to notice the type in his letter.
Really doesn't deserve the attention he is getting.

NomDeDieu · 01/02/2020 18:17

@aroundtheworldyet, you have absolutely no idea bout what will happen to people who only have the pre settled status.
Because no one has any idea (and I include the government there tbh).

but surely the logic will be that
Settled stays = Idefinitive leave to remain
Pre settled status = equivalent to A visa?
If you apply the same rules on immigration (with the new point system etc...), then I would expect people with only the pre settled status to have to follow that path/rule. Because why should EY citizens be treated a different way now that the UK is not in the EU??

It is an assumption, yes.
But one that you cannot discount and that is creating many fears and uncertainties.....
Especially when you know it is not possible to contest the decision of the HO about the settled status.... Whatever you get is what you get, even if it's wrong.

RunForBurritos · 01/02/2020 18:18

NomdeDieu eh oui ... ça craint en effet.

NomDeDieu · 01/02/2020 18:18

@doolallylala, move to the NE. You wont have that issue anymore.

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 18:18

Many countries within the EU have much worst and more arduous paperwork requirements. This pity party is pathetic
.
It’s true that only British people (especially the English) can’t be patriotic.

Well I’m proud to be British and English. Doesn’t mean that I think that there’s no racism or xenophobia or am supporting it.

doolallylala · 01/02/2020 18:19

move to the NE. You wont have that issue anymore

What issue?

BurneyFanny · 01/02/2020 18:22

OK English people, you now need to apply for a permit to stay in the home you've been living in wholly legally for forty years. That OK with you? Other places have worse paperwork, after all.

FunkyFreida · 01/02/2020 18:23

I thought Europeans were all the same race? As British people we are also European, despite now no longer belonging to the EU, which is a trading platform as a PP describing, not a continent in itself, no?

So where does racism come into it? Hmm I think some people on the thread need to look up the meaning of the word. Ridiculous!

ConstanceSalinger · 01/02/2020 18:24

Why only English people? The UK isn't just English. People in Wales and Scotland also exist.

ConstanceSalinger · 01/02/2020 18:25

Duh! And NI!

BurneyFanny · 01/02/2020 18:26

Well, because Scotland and NI were on the whole Remain. But OK, Brits if you prefer.

doolallylala · 01/02/2020 18:32

I appreciate that this may not be the true definition but myself, DH & all our friends who have immigrant parents have always described ourselves as British as opposed to say English. Despite being raised with different cultures & customs & regardless of our colour or creed we are British & that's what unites us.

NomDeDieu · 01/02/2020 18:34

Many countries within the EU have much worst and more arduous paperwork requirements.
Have you filled the documents for the settled status?

You know one where they ask you in december 2019 to give proof that you lived in the UK in 2020?
Or the one that tells you to give evidence that you have been in the UK for the last 5 years, ask for 10+ different documents (one per every 6 months) but the system only allows you to download 5 documents....
Or the one that still doesnt recognise that you have lived in the Uk for the last 5 years when you have been there 25 years but doesnt allow you to ask for a review/complaint?
And all that to have ... no paper proof at all so you are at the merci of any computer/IT problem (incl not being able to go on the site if you need to).

On the other side, I have yet to see an EU country saying that people who are living in their country by Dec 2020 cant stay.

makingmammaries · 01/02/2020 18:36

I’m with you, OP, as a Brit in Europe. Today I walked out into my garden. It’s still mine, but I no longer have the automatic right to be here. How the hell did we get to this?

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 18:38

Burney what on Earth are you going on about. I don’t need to fill forms out because I’m British as is my black husband and mixed race children and grandchildren. Things change. Fill some forms out and move on.

malificent7 · 01/02/2020 18:41

Yanbu op although why anyone would want to be British atm is beyond me. We are an embarassment.

aroundtheworldyet · 01/02/2020 18:43

Ok all. I’m out. Most people from the eu posting on here are clearly the privileged few.
I’m worried about the people who are really going to suffer,
Not those that have to download a few extra documents.

B0bbin · 01/02/2020 18:46

I found your post really moving and I'm so sad this has happened too Flowers

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