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to be heartbroken

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MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 12:35

It's a beautiful, sunny day. I am healthy. I have a new job, which I love. I also love my DH and kids and I am loved by them. We own a good home, a 'machine for living in', with room for everyone, and we can afford food and occasional treats such as days out and holidays. We bake bread, make muffins (which sometimes turn out to be edible) and go support our local football team. We are all reasonably educated and articulate, fully tax solvent and in socially meaningful professions (that's me and DH, our kids are in education).

And yet, there is a definitely low mood in the house today, and this is not just because I am recovering from clinical depression. Today, even if nothing seems different, is the first day of my life as an 'outsider'. I am no longer a EU citizen in my own country but officially an 'other'. An immigrant.

I am now somebody who needs to prove their right to be here, in their own home. Another layer of bureaucracy, more practical struggles. But it's the change in my 'status' that breaks my heart. I am no longer part of this country which I have made my home for the last twenty years.

Yes, I have 'settled status', an invisible document, which I have obtained in a much less easy way that the government would like you to think (for instance I could not use my iPhone to register as it only worked on android phones). An invisible document which proclaims to be valid until it's valid. No doubt in the future there will be more hoops to jumps, more papers to fill and i just hope these hoops and jumps will come when I am fit, young and tech-savy enough to be able to jump them.

I will, of course, snap out of this, but at the moment I am, I think not unreasonably, heartbroken.

And my biggest heartbreak is not for me - Katie Hopkins compared immigrants to cockroaches for our resilience and, ultimately, I am resilient. When I realised the industry I was in was getting destroyed by Brexit and austerity I got another job. I have qualifications and skills. I will survive in my immigrant-coackrochy ways.

No, my biggest heartbreak is for Britain itself, for the people who have been interviewed on TV who are celebrating Brexit without being able to articulate one single benefit of it to their life. I have lived in this country long enough to have seen another Britain, a multicultural, vibrant, accepting country, where having an accent and coming from somewhere else was considered an exciting, interesting thing. I can still see that in some enlightened places, which are increasingly engulfed by the darkness of 'patriotism'.

I guess I am heartbroken because I had not only imagined a brighter future, I had seen how great things can be, and now the lights are going off.

We are discussing moving to Scotland or Ireland. It would be easy for me and my DH but harder on their kids. They are born in England, they are English. What to do - stay and resists? Move?

I do not know yet. I will know soon, we will talk and make plans.

But today I am heartbroken.

OP posts:
FishCanFly · 02/02/2020 04:50

Threads like this always brings out arseholes

zoobaby · 02/02/2020 04:55

I can see your argument Monna and sympathise with your feelings. I think that your recent mental health is impacting upon your feelings as well.

I am now British, but born in Aus. I came to the UK via an Ancestry visa. When applying for citizenship, the goalposts were constantly moved, at great cost and inconvenience, but I just had to go with the flow and get the formalities out of the way. It was the only way I could secure my future within the UK.

I don't have a British accent so I'm seen as an immigrant first and foremost but also acknowledged as someone who "bothered to become British" (honestly I didn't change anything about myself to "become British", just went through the process of getting naturalised, but nonetheless that's the attitude I perceive).

Your situation is similar - you ARE an immigrant. An immigrant who was allowed to come here unfettered, with no restrictions or limitations (sorry not familiar with EU history spanning the late 90s, so apologies if you did have restrictions back then). It was an arrangement reciprocated by every country that belonged to the club and who all agreed on the rules.

But rules change all the time. Heck, EU law and regulations are constantly shifting. Nothing is ever set in stone, nor are they forevermore.

Instead of lamenting what once was, can you put your energies into proactiveness... just go ahead and apply (and pay) for permanent residency and then citizenship?

I'm pretty sure you're also lamenting something deeper than formalities, something more emotional, like a deep rejection, and that's perfectly normal for the short-term Flowers. But you can't allow it to take over and prevent your future happiness. You need to find a new equilibrium.

Casiloco · 02/02/2020 06:47

RhubarbBikini

That is so sad.

This is not about paperwork it is about identity and belonging and - for me - the rude awakening that I THOUGHT I lived in a welcoming, open, tolerant society only to find that my fellow citizens - and even some friends - have some really unpleasant attitudes. They believe the shit the Daily Mail churns out and agree with Piers and Katie.

People who to all intents and purposes were "good" people in my eyes - kind, helpful, intelligent - I now see more accurately as ill-informed, bigoted little Englanders. We all have feet of clay, but I have been so disappointed by some of the stuff coming out of the mouths of people I actually looked up to until very recently.

Sometimes it takes my breath away. As a PP said Britain has not changed, it is the same as it was 5 years ago but my understanding of my own country, which I used to feel proud of, HAS changed as I now realize my own naivety.

And what has changed is that ignorance and prejudice are no longer hidden and whispered but are, instead, shouted from the rooftops. Embarrassing.

AllergicToAMop · 02/02/2020 08:30

@zoobaby well said

onthem25 · 02/02/2020 08:41

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.euronews.com/amp/2020/01/29/tens-of-thousands-of-people-sign-petition-to-get-british-man-french-citizenship-post-brexi

Sorry don't know how to do a link but it's not just the U.K. refuses citizenship etc

AllergicToAMop · 02/02/2020 08:59

That chef in the article was refused because he should have applied for SS. It was purely his own doing tbh.

I heard France jumped a gun and started treating Brits as third country since yesterday? Can anyone French confirm?

BurneyFanny · 02/02/2020 09:01

Difference is onthem the French haven't moved the goalposts, them was always the rules.

Leavers: Brexit means we can attract the best and brightest!

Also Leavers: hey OP (sent here on a government programme, so presumably pretty bright) if you don't like it here you can go home!

Hmm
BurneyFanny · 02/02/2020 09:02

what's jumping the gun? We Brits in France ARE TCNs now. People have been getting letters telling us we can no longer vote in the forthcoming local elections, and rightly so.

AllergicToAMop · 02/02/2020 09:04

There is a transitional period where nothing changes. That's jumping the gun

BurneyFanny · 02/02/2020 09:07

We are no longer EU citizens and are no longer eligible to vote as such. That's not jumping the gun Hmm

BurneyFanny · 02/02/2020 09:15

Which means that as of two days ago the only vote I'm entitled to take part in is the PTA committee at my kids' school. Yippee.

Songsofexperience · 02/02/2020 09:18

Posters who are telling OP to get a grip because they've had it worse only perpetuate the abuse they received. It's very sad but also very human. They see OP as a pampered white lady who should get a taste of the real world when they've paid their dues and earned their stripes. Instead of condemning the abuse, they use her a way to vent their frustration- and that's how racism and xenophobia keep winning.
Instead of wanting everyone to suffer, demand a better system!

FishCanFly · 02/02/2020 09:24

This made me realize that i really don't want British citizenship now. It has really fallen in value. My country of origin doesn't allow dual citizenship, so no way I'm giving that up.

Sickandtired1 · 02/02/2020 09:34

I could not be happier!!!

There is no forward thinking with people such as yourself.

Seriously catch a grip. You have what most people dream of and you’re feeling sorry for yourself.

I would like to just say, I came on these forums last year saying Brexit would happens and I was shot down saying it would never happen! As Nigel Farage said, no one is laughing now!

Yipeee. Break out the wine

FishCanFly · 02/02/2020 09:36

Oh look, another one came to gloat that people's livelihoods might go down the toilet. Nice Hmm

Sickandtired1 · 02/02/2020 09:41

We only left 1 day ago

Noone’s livelihood has been destroyed overnight. What utter nonsense

aroundtheworldyet · 02/02/2020 09:42

It’s funny someone upthread said come to NY - we have lots of immigrants. We love them. (Along those lines)
Same for London. I imagine it’s a dam site easier to come and live in London than it is in NY.

But you know, we want you all out. That’s obvious

Funkycats · 02/02/2020 09:44

Don't talk such rubbish sickandtired. People HAVE already lost jobs over this, and it's hardly begun!

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/02/2020 09:48

Sickandtired
Posts like yours are why Brexiteers are dubbed thick. Do you have no empathy for others, who feel differently from yourself?

Sickandtired1 · 02/02/2020 09:48

Are you trying to tell me a European citizen who for example has been in a job here for 10 years, was told by their employer that come the 1st February they would no longer be employed?

The people who are from the EU are not being asked to leave.

Sickandtired1 · 02/02/2020 09:50

Those who have bought houses here are not having to sell them. No one is being turfed out.

Why are people up in arms!

FishCanFly · 02/02/2020 09:52

Go tell that to people who got letters saying exactly that. That their applications have been refused because "insufficient evidence" bullshit.

Sickandtired1 · 02/02/2020 09:53

Actually just on that point, I work with a french female who started working with us last month. She isn’t losing her job.

My close friend is from Germany, working in the NHS and has just been promoted.

Who are these people that are losing their jobs????

dementedma · 02/02/2020 09:55

All this "move to Scotland" as if it is Utopia here. Education system in tatters and sliding remorselessly down the league tables , high death rates from heart disease, drugs and alcoholism, poor roads infrastructure north of Perth (A9 still only about 20% dualled). Scotland isnt, and never has been in the EU.( It was in the EU as part of UK). Independence is a huge issue and as it did last time, will split the country and create anti-English abuse in some quarters. I've been here over 40 years but was told to fuck off back to England and that I should n't have the right to vote etc. Scotland has its good points, as does everywhere, but it has its downsides too! The abuse and racism encountered recently by my English friend(Pakistani ethnicity) led to her having to move house and her children move schools. It happens here too, despite w the "everyone is welcome here" messages put out by the Scottish Govt.

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