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to be heartbroken

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MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 12:35

It's a beautiful, sunny day. I am healthy. I have a new job, which I love. I also love my DH and kids and I am loved by them. We own a good home, a 'machine for living in', with room for everyone, and we can afford food and occasional treats such as days out and holidays. We bake bread, make muffins (which sometimes turn out to be edible) and go support our local football team. We are all reasonably educated and articulate, fully tax solvent and in socially meaningful professions (that's me and DH, our kids are in education).

And yet, there is a definitely low mood in the house today, and this is not just because I am recovering from clinical depression. Today, even if nothing seems different, is the first day of my life as an 'outsider'. I am no longer a EU citizen in my own country but officially an 'other'. An immigrant.

I am now somebody who needs to prove their right to be here, in their own home. Another layer of bureaucracy, more practical struggles. But it's the change in my 'status' that breaks my heart. I am no longer part of this country which I have made my home for the last twenty years.

Yes, I have 'settled status', an invisible document, which I have obtained in a much less easy way that the government would like you to think (for instance I could not use my iPhone to register as it only worked on android phones). An invisible document which proclaims to be valid until it's valid. No doubt in the future there will be more hoops to jumps, more papers to fill and i just hope these hoops and jumps will come when I am fit, young and tech-savy enough to be able to jump them.

I will, of course, snap out of this, but at the moment I am, I think not unreasonably, heartbroken.

And my biggest heartbreak is not for me - Katie Hopkins compared immigrants to cockroaches for our resilience and, ultimately, I am resilient. When I realised the industry I was in was getting destroyed by Brexit and austerity I got another job. I have qualifications and skills. I will survive in my immigrant-coackrochy ways.

No, my biggest heartbreak is for Britain itself, for the people who have been interviewed on TV who are celebrating Brexit without being able to articulate one single benefit of it to their life. I have lived in this country long enough to have seen another Britain, a multicultural, vibrant, accepting country, where having an accent and coming from somewhere else was considered an exciting, interesting thing. I can still see that in some enlightened places, which are increasingly engulfed by the darkness of 'patriotism'.

I guess I am heartbroken because I had not only imagined a brighter future, I had seen how great things can be, and now the lights are going off.

We are discussing moving to Scotland or Ireland. It would be easy for me and my DH but harder on their kids. They are born in England, they are English. What to do - stay and resists? Move?

I do not know yet. I will know soon, we will talk and make plans.

But today I am heartbroken.

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leli · 01/02/2020 21:18

My sympathies OP. I suggest you try to come and live in London. My borough in London is comprised of more than 40% people born outside the UK and I hear numerous languages spoken around me every day. I love this. London has had more immigration than any other part of the country and voted overwhelmingly Remain.

Personally I wish London could leave England and stay in the EU.

ShesGotBetteDavisEyes · 01/02/2020 21:23

I too am wondering where some people live to be having racist comments made every day/followed round the shops/told to speak English when in the park - do you live in Royston Vasey? Seriously, I’m amazed. Where I live people just wouldn’t act like that and there are people from all countries.
A few weeks ago an Asian guy cut me up and then rolled his window down and called me “a fucking stupid white slag”. I was shocked but you know, some people are real wankers. It’d never occur to me to connect it somehow with brexit.

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 21:26

Dear god allergic. You awful awful person.

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 01/02/2020 21:29

"British people are very tolerant!!! And immigration is not the only issue. People felt like they were being dictated to by a Higher power (EU) that had no interest in the average British citizen. What good is an elected government that doesn’t answer to its electorate but answers to a organisation that has nothing to do with day to day lives of the average Brit."

Ahhh @porkeypine you mean like what the average Tory private educated top 2% white male that leads he UK, has in common with the average zero hour factory worker in Newcastle? I'm sure he current government really represents and answers to the average Brit.

AllergicToAMop · 01/02/2020 21:29

@Barbarella1 shame on me

Tsubasa1 · 01/02/2020 21:41

It seems to me the general opinion is that we Brits are all racist now because we label white EU citizens as immigrants! But you ignore all the posts about how accomodating Britain is to immigrants for example providing translators in GPs etc. I live abroad and have never had a translator and none of the doctors speak English! And I read a lot of posts saying how you feel like foreigners now... but really no examples of why, just because of the immigrant label? Is that such a big deal?

MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 21:43

reading the thread back but not quite getting where it is going - ?
help me!

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MarySidney · 01/02/2020 21:44

....workers rights that were hard won by the EU.

The UK parliament was legislating about working hours when serfdom still existed in parts of Europe.

Porkeypine · 01/02/2020 21:50

@OoohTheStatsDontLie

I actually partly agree with what you’re saying about the government being out of touch with the electorate!

Difference is however, people still have the choice to vote in/out who they want. Historically the assumption was the working class voting Labour (no pun intended) and the middle classes Tory, but the lines are blurred now- probably due to the fa t many of them tell more lies than sift mick and can’t keep a promise anymore than I can walk to moon.....

Difference is though, when we’ve had enough we can kick them out and start the process again in the hope that the next ones will do as they say they will.... never works I suppose but that’s a different thread!

Tsubasa1 · 01/02/2020 21:51

Totallty agree @WhereShallWeMoveTo

Hadtoask · 01/02/2020 21:55

@callmeadoctor oh my goodness. My thoughts are with you. I hope your son makes a recovery. I hope you are coping. I think the op here is very melodramatic and self absorbed but that’s mumsnet maybe.

AllergicToAMop · 01/02/2020 22:00

It's nkt just MN @Hadtoask I've seen it all over SM. Not from my nation thoughConfused
I've just seen someone asking if we are still able to purchase and own a property. This is how panic starts. By misinformation making rounds.

MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 22:08

Going to sit on my sofa & enjoy my oh and my cat's company with a cup of fennel tea trying to get back in the swing of the thread.

Iwe are making plans. Looks like we are not leaving but resisting!

Thinking about joining organisations such as another Europe is possible. www.anothereurope.org/

We live to fight another day!! Allons-y Alonso!

to be heartbroken
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RhubarbBikini · 01/02/2020 22:27

Up until yesterday I worked for an eminent consultant. Yesterday bid him a fond farewell as he cleared his desk and made his way to the airport. He has had much abuse from patients in recent months telling him to go back to his own country, he's taken them at their word.

We (society as a whole) will all be very mucher poorer by him going.

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 22:30

yep I’m a racist bitch. What an an awful person I am despite having mixed race kids.

hambledon · 01/02/2020 23:15

I am incredibly shocked by some of these posts. I have been on MN for 15 years and it's the worst I've seen.

It's not about the forms!!! It's about thinking a place is your home, bringing up children here, marrying here, paying taxes, being part of the community (church, PTA, etc etc) and then being told that you don't really belong and that the gloves are off as far as bigotry is concerned. It used to be considered taboo to tell someone they're not welcome in their own home but now it happens routinely. It's been happening to my family since the referendum, repeatedly. Just try to imagine that. Of course if you're not white that happens too. But perhaps that might make you empathise rather than tell someone they are not allowed to feel traumatised.

I thought my family belonged here and now it seems we don't. That won't be fixed by filling in a form. Imagine that if you can. If you are decent enough to imagine how many thousands of people are feeling right now. Maybe your neighbour, your child's friend's parent, your nurse or doctor, your hairdresser. Have a heart.

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 23:35

Oh for goodness sake fill the form or don’t bother.

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 23:39

you all sound pathetic.

hambledon · 01/02/2020 23:44

Barbarella you have a hole in your heart where empathy should be.

hadenough · 02/02/2020 00:16

Well some people are just vile. Home and belonging are very personal things. Experiences, attitudes, and identity are deep emotions. The UK is not accommodating to many immigrants. My DH is from a non EU country and is mixed race. I can assure you it's not a land of milk and honey.

@MonnaLIza - you sound amazing. Thank you for coming. And I am truly sorry about the position you are in. You should feel welcome, and you should feel at home. Like you, my heart does break, and the sadness is real.

I believe in tolerance, acceptance and hope. Sometimes it's all that keeps me going.

I still want to believe.

Disco91 · 02/02/2020 00:18

You said in the past you have lived in Italy, Switzerland, Holland and the US.

Switzerland and the US are not part of the EU.... did you feel any less welcome in those countries because they weren't part of the EU?

Seriously OP get a grip.

hadenough · 02/02/2020 00:22

@Disco91

Get a grip.

MissConductUS · 02/02/2020 00:41

Paradoxically I would do very well in the US, better than in Italy.

Come to New York. We are a city of immigrants with large, vibrant Jewish and Italian communities. I hear people speaking other languages on the street everyday. No one thinks a thing of it.

Overthinker1988 · 02/02/2020 00:53

I know how you feel OP, foreigner here too but I have dual citizenship so Brexit doesn't affect me in that sense. I'm from a part of Europe that is often vilified and seen as a "shithole" (usually by people who know nothing about it) so I've never felt particularly welcome anyway. I was on the brink of going home when I fell in love and ended up marrying a Scot, live in Scotland now and I'm very happy. It's the most "at home" I've ever felt anywhere in the UK.
However, I'm not sure what difference it would make in terms of Brexit, we're still leaving the EU and I'm sceptical about independence happening and rescuing us (although I would vote for it if there was another referendum).
The way I see it, I have a nice life here and I can also have a nice life in my home country (I'm not an economic migrant), still have a home there and EU citizenship because of dual nationality, my child will have that too, all the benefits of both countries. I couldn't care less what random Leave voters think. None of my British/Scottish friends voted that way. But, the result was clear and Brexit is happening, I doubt your application will be refused so try to think pragmatically. It's the native Brits I feel sorry for, people like me and you can always f*ck off home if things get really bad, they're stuck with it.

hadenough · 02/02/2020 01:07

@Overthinker1988

I'm incredibly happy you made Scotland your home.

You will always be welcome.