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to be heartbroken

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MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 12:35

It's a beautiful, sunny day. I am healthy. I have a new job, which I love. I also love my DH and kids and I am loved by them. We own a good home, a 'machine for living in', with room for everyone, and we can afford food and occasional treats such as days out and holidays. We bake bread, make muffins (which sometimes turn out to be edible) and go support our local football team. We are all reasonably educated and articulate, fully tax solvent and in socially meaningful professions (that's me and DH, our kids are in education).

And yet, there is a definitely low mood in the house today, and this is not just because I am recovering from clinical depression. Today, even if nothing seems different, is the first day of my life as an 'outsider'. I am no longer a EU citizen in my own country but officially an 'other'. An immigrant.

I am now somebody who needs to prove their right to be here, in their own home. Another layer of bureaucracy, more practical struggles. But it's the change in my 'status' that breaks my heart. I am no longer part of this country which I have made my home for the last twenty years.

Yes, I have 'settled status', an invisible document, which I have obtained in a much less easy way that the government would like you to think (for instance I could not use my iPhone to register as it only worked on android phones). An invisible document which proclaims to be valid until it's valid. No doubt in the future there will be more hoops to jumps, more papers to fill and i just hope these hoops and jumps will come when I am fit, young and tech-savy enough to be able to jump them.

I will, of course, snap out of this, but at the moment I am, I think not unreasonably, heartbroken.

And my biggest heartbreak is not for me - Katie Hopkins compared immigrants to cockroaches for our resilience and, ultimately, I am resilient. When I realised the industry I was in was getting destroyed by Brexit and austerity I got another job. I have qualifications and skills. I will survive in my immigrant-coackrochy ways.

No, my biggest heartbreak is for Britain itself, for the people who have been interviewed on TV who are celebrating Brexit without being able to articulate one single benefit of it to their life. I have lived in this country long enough to have seen another Britain, a multicultural, vibrant, accepting country, where having an accent and coming from somewhere else was considered an exciting, interesting thing. I can still see that in some enlightened places, which are increasingly engulfed by the darkness of 'patriotism'.

I guess I am heartbroken because I had not only imagined a brighter future, I had seen how great things can be, and now the lights are going off.

We are discussing moving to Scotland or Ireland. It would be easy for me and my DH but harder on their kids. They are born in England, they are English. What to do - stay and resists? Move?

I do not know yet. I will know soon, we will talk and make plans.

But today I am heartbroken.

OP posts:
Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 20:19

It really pisses me off when people say that equality laws have been instigated by EU. It isn’t true.

onthem25 · 01/02/2020 20:19

Access to benefits not even fits*
Ps surely everyone running away is not the answer as well!

MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 20:19

concocting not connecting. Autocorrect fail.

OP posts:
aroundtheworldyet · 01/02/2020 20:19

@LilyJade
Really! It was the U.K. that lead the major changes with regard to workers rights.
Funnily south Europeans did not want them.

So without The strong voting of the U.K. the EU is in danger waters.

Also where the fuck do you live. I would suggest moving. It sounds grim.

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 20:22

Monna just fill in some forms.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 01/02/2020 20:23

Could you also explain to me how its ok to dismiss what people who are actually LIVING the issue feel because you dint think thats how they shoud feel? well brexiters were told their feelings weren’t valid if economic facts proved immigration was a good thing. Well factually it’s not difficult or expensive to stay in the UK as an EU citizen.

thesunhasgothishatontoday · 01/02/2020 20:23

@monnallza I hear you. I'm a Scot living in England. I cried at 11pm last night. For the first time in 20 years I am considering moving back home

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 20:27

Aroundtheworld exactly

AllergicToAMop · 01/02/2020 20:29

@Barbarella1 not even forms if you have electronic passport. The one with a chip. Or any biometric residence card for that matter. 20 min. That's it. It's bliss now. But! We REALLY need some physical proof.

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 20:36

Yep allergic. Some idiots on here .

EssentialHummus · 01/02/2020 20:37

Not unreasonable at all OP, imo. I'm an EU national (half, anyway) and I feel like the UK as it was when I chose to move here, doesn't exist anymore. It's a very ephemeral feeling: my friends haven't changed, my physical home hasn't changed, the community I'm part of hasn't changed, but my trust in the functioning of government has gone, as has my belief of the UK overall as being an open, tolerant, meritocratic place. I'm hugely sad about that.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 01/02/2020 20:40

Why are people being so defensive?

There ARE racists in this country. It doesn't mean we all are. If someone points out this country is less tolerant than it was I don't think they're talking about me because I know it doesn't refer to me.

Yes some other countries are worse but we don't live there so cannot do much about it. We can try and do something here, and attacking the OP for her valid opinion doesn't help anyone.

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 20:44

Essential why are you sad, just follow the rules. You aren’t British, join us mate. Follow the rules.

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 20:47

N ones attacking the op star a grip.

Lipperfromchipper · 01/02/2020 20:51

C’mon over here to Ireland OP, although we do have a housing crisis too...but if you want to buy then even better!! I think we’re nice over here and fwiw I have several friends who work for US companies on US time (from home) but live here in Ireland and it seems to work well or then!! Would that be possible for you? I think we’re very friendly and welcoming.

Lipperfromchipper · 01/02/2020 20:51

*For them

midwestfornow · 01/02/2020 20:51

Honestly OP, poor though some of the responses on this thread are, longer term, people who believe in British exceptionalism are in for a profound disappointment and those who believe everyone should be dragged down rather than built up is building a poorer life for their dc as well as yours.

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 20:51

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

EssentialHummus · 01/02/2020 20:52

I have followed the rules bar. I have settled status. I'll be eligible for citizenship soon. In practice I'll be fine. But I no longer recognise (or even sometimes like, frankly) this country. And that's an enormous loss and something one might legitimately feel sad about. Again, the UK as an open, tolerant, meritocratic place is what drew me here, and that doesn't apply anymore.

Tsubasa1 · 01/02/2020 20:58

I think this is a bit of a first world problem thread. Britain is a great country with lovely people in: immigrants or non-immigrants alike. Its the same Britain as it was a year ago or five years ago! Some of us are patriotic and some aren't. Be thankful for what you have really!

Tsubasa1 · 01/02/2020 21:00

Can some of you give me some examples of how you are saying " Britain is no longer an open and tolerant country?". Im curious...

Barbarella1 · 01/02/2020 21:02

Yes tsubasa1

midwestfornow · 01/02/2020 21:04

Try reading the thread!

midwestfornow · 01/02/2020 21:05

Or this?

to be heartbroken
AllergicToAMop · 01/02/2020 21:06

Nothing unifies people like someone who haven't RTFT😂