Moving NHS staff out of their homes, to make room for people needing quarantine.

[Toddlerteaplease]

AIBU or is this extremely unfair on the staff, to be moved to hotels. I lived in Hospital accommodation when I was newly qualified, and it was definitely my home. Surely they'd have been better to requisition a hotel for the quarantined people.

Handling norovirus in an every day situation which lets be frank no one pays attention to in power and having to do so on a shoestring.

versus

Handling quaratined individuals under the civil contagency act and the full glare of the media and the government's international reputation and having the political will to produce £££s to contain this. IF indeed anyone is infected, which they might well not be.

Apples versus Pears.

It shouldn't be. But thats the reality.

Not really running, APH staff are not involved in the care.

So its reputation has nothing to do with this centre

But it's not a centre! It's literally a part of a badly run, poorly managed, at full capacity hospital. Surely you can see why local people are at best concerned and at worst wondering how this hospital which has so badly cared for their loved ones can all of a sudden be used as a base for such a major thing?

Which is right, but APH has zero bed capacity and an alarming amount of bad press, not to mention constant A&E deadlock and failure to meet targets. Its a disaster in the making, frankly.

And that is why you shouldn't worry about those contained in quaratine.

You should be worried about the potential case that walks off the street and isn't immediately flagged as connected to China and isn't thought of as a risk straight away.

Thats about the underlying lack of capability and resources of all GPs or hospitals rather than the strictly monitored people at Arrowepark who will have resources thrown at them.

Given the infection rate, and where cases are popping up and the fact that several countries are already reporting person to person infections amongst people who haven't been to China, that the real danger.

The risk is those not under observation and their risk isn't being managed as they are not on the radar.

Not those at Arrowepark who are being risk managed closely.

At least the walk-in centre might be nice and quiet tomorrow :)

@M0reGinPlease you are not listening. The hospital is providing the building to be used as a quarantine centre. Its staff and its managers have nothing, zero, ZILCH to do with what will be happening inside it. They've handed over a building and nothing else. None of your fears or suspicions about the hospital have no bearing whatsoever on the safety and security of what is now a quarantine centre run by others who do know what they're doing. It's their job. They're the specialists. They'll have been brought from all over the country to do what they've been trained to do.

Stop. Breathe. You're panicking for no reason.

@saraclara I am not panicking.

I'd have bee gutted to have had to move out of my room. It really was home. Especially as I was paying quite apt if money to live there.

Army barracks as an interim whilst setting up a clinic of some sort on-site

Why are soldiers less important than the NHS workers? Who is going to pack up the personal possessions of the people who are mid deployment?

It really, really pisses me off that time and time again that military personnel are seen as lesser human beings on this site and in society in general. DH & DS1 are serving, and DS2 is a nurse. DS1 has a room on barracks DS2 has only ever had a room in the hospital when he was on placement in a hospital away from university. DS1's room is full of his kit, sports kit, tv, mess dress etc. He's not there for a month, how could all that get packed and stored?

The risk is those not under observation and their risk isn't being managed as they are not on the radar

Exactly. The virus has already been spread across the world. With a 2 week incubation period people will have travelled back from China before the shit hit the fan and will be passing it on.

I have just rtft from start to finish and am really concerned to see so many posters have obviously contracted a couple of nasty contagions, 'ignorance and wilful stupidity' . There is very little chance of a cure unless the sufferer is able to 'self medicate' with some education and will then hopefully be able to develop a little resistance. The first sign that the patient may make it - is a growing ability to develop reading comprehension from the likes of saraclara and RedToothBrush

It doesn't matter how close/how awful APH is to the accommodation block ! It has ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE TO QUARANTINE.. as a number of posters have clearly said. If you don't believe them then EDUCATE yourselves on quarantine and quarantine procedures before babbling the worst type of scaremongering bollox.

Public Health England is a first responder under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004. Along with all the blue light services plus a number of other organisations. Every first responder has an 'emergency planning and preparedness' officer/department. These are full time jobs. Where every possible emergency scenario is planned for, for years.

This secondment of a building , in the event that a fairly small facility suitable for quarantine, close to a tropical diseases hospital (also with advanced quarantine facilities) was not decided after a 'quick ring round' . It would have been long planned , should it fit a particular scenario such as this.

Yes, annoying to have to move out but a necessity, as this place has been deemed the most suitable by people who do this stuff.

God knows how some of you would have coped in the last war , when the government requisitioned all kinds of accommodation to suit the greater needs of the country - including hundreds of private homes.

Sometimes you have to put your own little prejudices and hysteria to one side and think about your part in the bigger picture. !

Actually, our local council woman told us there were 4 possible venues and then decided via tender.

A good number of my patients have cancelled clinics over the next month. I don't agree with that at all, but it is happening,

As much a certain people on this thread want to tell us we're being ignorant or scaremongering it's not actually that at all. If this was so well planned as you would have us all believe, why wasn't a proper statement made explaining what would be happening. And why has no protocol for press been put in place? To have clinicians unable to access the premises and conduct normal clinics because there are press camped out in the car park is absolutely unacceptable and has nothing at all to do with the quarantine facility being at APH- it could have been done in a much better managed way to minimise and reduce the impact on local people. If this has been perfectly planned and prepped for then why was there no procedure to ensure it didn't impact on day to day running of the hospital? And if there is, why isn't this being announced? Even staff members haven't been properly briefed. But as long as we all improve our levels of reading comprehension eh... 🙄

Moregin, I’m from the Wirral as well and know fully the well deserved crap reputation of Arrowe etc, I mean, they once transferred the wrong person to the Walton centre as an emergency instead of me.....

Anyway the staff at the hospital are not dealing with the evacuees... they are leasing the building to the government. The staff are not involved and thank fuck for that given, as you say, their inability to control Niro viruses etc.

*sometimes you have to put your own little prejudices and hysteria aside and think about your part in the bigger picture”

Yeah so easy to preach when it’s not you and your kids being told to get out of your house at short notice. I’m sure you’ve have said “oh yes gladly! Dunkirk spirit and all that”.

Is anyone else worried we're being lied to?

When you have people dropping dead in the streets in China, then hazmat -suited people collecting the dead body and then disinfecting the street? If it's a cold/flu and spread by coughing and sneezing, well, dead people don't tend to cough and sneeze much.

We didn't quarantine those coming back from Ebola stricken areas in the recent outbreaks.

I think the people in quarantine aren't the worry. Its all those who've flown in from China before they shut the flights down.
There are hundreds of Chinese students just flown in and how many tourists returned? They should be traced and health checked. All of them.

They're giving the outside a bit of a clean today, Because, embarrassing and all that.

Is anyone else worried we're being lied to?

A bit. I've a friend in China who says the word on the unofficial grape-vine is that the death rate is as high as 1 in 4.

I think all governments lie to their people. It’s a way of controlling the masses, so I’ve no doubt they’re trying to deal with a difficult and potentially dangerous situation, without causing panic. Can you imagine how people would react, if they turned around and said “this is a very dangerous form of the coronavirus and we’re trying desperately to contain it”. There would be mass panic.