to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

Not only that, if you do think of Call the Midwife - they were all attended in a local clinic by a group of midwives and a GP that they knew. Having continuity of care is supposed to make for better outcomes.
Speaking as one who was around for most of the 1950s, it was definitely a time where we thought that things were getting better. Things were substantially better than for many of our grandparents. Compared with now where many don't have secure work, are in insecure accommodation, it very much seems as though we are going backwards.

@Vanhi : Now, if I wanted a compliant population and I wanted that population to be scared of Johnny Foreigner, and blame Johnny Foreigner for all the shit I pulled, I'd probably stop the need for learning foreign languages too.

We've moved on , but I couldn't let this one pass - .given your clear assumption that it stemmed from rampant xenophobia (so clearly insinuating that a Tory Govt must have been responsible).

It was actually Blair's New Labour Govt who ".stopped the need." in 2004, by finally removing the requirement for.pupils to study foreign languages to GCSE.

A fine rant ruined by being fact free.

As a child my parents light was on, the Doctor saw , because there was a gap a road over through the hedge.
He turned round and knocked on the door, it was 3 in the morning, he knew of the illness of my parent. Can you ever imagine that today.

As a child my parents light was on, the Doctor saw , because there was a gap a road over through the hedge.
He turned round and knocked on the door, it was 3 in the morning, he knew of the illness of my parent. Can you ever imagine that today

As a Scottish European my main upset is being dragged out against my will. But I know Scotland will be back. And it has definitely made me reassess the 'precious union'. Sooner independence happens the better

Call the Midwife infuriates my now 96 year old MIL because she feels it's a false portrayal, and portrays conditions more like the 1930s.She feels that by the 1940s and 50s when she was having her children things were considerably better.

BTW I don't remember seeing homeless people sleeping in doorways in the 1950s. Now that might have been because I lived in sleepy market towns, but I don't even remember the cities having them either.

mummmy2017

No.

I can never imagine that today.

What has that odd story about the doctor seeing a light got to do with Brexit?

@mummmy2017, you haven't answered my question upthread. What happens if we don't thrive or if we don't thrive until post 2070? What happens to the people who lose their jobs as a result of Brexit. Or who can't get NHS care because the NHS has to spend ££££££ on drugs once we do a trade deal with US big pharma and our medicines cost 50x what they cost us now?

In fact these questions are open to any Brexiteer to answer.

In fact - what have any of your incoherent, rambling posts got to do with Brexit, mummmy2017?

It was a call the midwife moment, or doctor in our case.
Brexit happened because no one cares anymore. People are so concerned with their own little kingdoms to care about the people who are in their lives. Look how loads of you have disowned your own family due to the vote.

Back in the 1950s we had Cottage Hospitals and the District Nurse and Midwife. Now we have larger hospitals with predominantly hospital based services - probably better for serious conditions, maybe less good for the more routine things.

Back in the early 1950s being prescribed penicillin was a big event. We then went too much the other way and overprescribed anti-biotics and now we have resistence. This was all predicted too.

So - some things were better, a good many were not.

@Chocowoka

We talk about the free movement of people but it's actually the free movement of workers.

Along with the free movement of goods, capital and services, it's a fundamental part of the common market. It's supposed to make the common market more efficient through competition and break down national barriers.

It's not the freedom to turn up in any country and live there, claim benefits etc. It's about opportunity to take up employment. We could have sent EU migrants back if they didn't find work, we chose not to.

We've moved on , but I couldn't let this one pass - .given your clear assumption that it stemmed from rampant xenophobia (so clearly insinuating that a Tory Govt must have been responsible).

Guess again. I mean all of that's one hell of a leap. There's nothing in there to assume the lack of language teaching stemmed from xenophobia - rather that it suits governments to have a compliant population, and they'll use xenophobia to achieve that. So then you make another leap to me saying a Tory govt was responsible, when I didn't name who was responsible.

A fine rant ruined by being fact free.

Do please carry on assuming I've said things I haven't said, then saying the things I haven't said are wrong. I mean, that will really contribute to the quality of the debate.

mummy 2017 Brexit happened because no one cares anymore. People are so concerned with their own little kingdoms to care about the people who are in their lives. Look how loads of you have disowned your own family due to the vote.

Erm - Brexit was about UK voters not caring about EU migrants, some of whom had given this country 40 years or more of their hard work. You don't build community by stripping it.

As a Scottish European my main upset is being dragged out against my will. But I know Scotland will be back. And it has definitely made me reassess the 'precious union'. Sooner independence happens the better

Do you not see the irony, or do you just pretend it’s not there, or what?...

theunknownknown

There is enough blame to go around yet you only want leavers to

"Own their shit"

You are willing to ignore all that has gone on before and all that has gone on after for some bullshit term, that no-one will ever be able to achieve because you will always hold something against them.

Rather than being a bot I do think @mummmy2017 is a genuine brexiteer precisely because she is so incoherent and irrational and she is unable to answer any concrete questions about the consequences of brexit.

Fits the brexiteer profile to a T.

There is so much hate around, it is truly shocking.
I suppose since 2016, the shockwaves of realising that remain could not impose their will on the rest of the UK has intensified the blame game.

Brexit has never happened before, oh wow!
Maybe that is why there are no answer , yet.

it was definitely a time where we thought that things were getting better.

That was a crucial difference to now, DM always says that post-war period people had a lot of hope (when they weren't worrying about nuclear annihilation). A lot of leavers I find are just so miserable and negative, there's nothing they really seem to want, just to complaining in a vague way about the EU and too many people coming here.

For a lot of people now though, their lives are far more comfortable than in the 50's, probably the majority of people live in ways that my parents and gps would have considered unimaginable luxury - owning their houses, nice bathrooms and kitchens, central heating, cars tvs, fridges full of food.

Think it's made people complacent and walled-off from the reality of how things could go wrong

@mummmy2017, so you're saying you don't know what you voted for?

Our financial market always has been open to the rest of the world. The problem now is that as a result of Brexit, London's position as a financial centre is under threat.

Much more optimistic if you read the whole of the article in the pp's link;

"Few respondents expected Paris, Frankfurt or any other European city to come close to replacing New York or London."

"Respondents favoured London over New York in terms of the most favourable regulatory regime for financial services in the world."

“If the government can position the UK as having a more favourable regulatory environment and separate it from the red tape of European regulation, then we may see the UK win back its crown and attract new talent to the sector,” Melis said.

"London has shown resilience since the UK voted in 2016 to leave the EU by leapfrogging New York to become the top centre for trading interest rate swaps and remaining leader in currency trading."

BoneyBackJefferson
No, the only blame to be attributed is to those who voted leave.
In a nutshell.
I wager that in five years we'll be hard pushed to find anyone who admits to voting leave.
I think you'll find the bullshit terms were:
£350m for the NHS, Brexit means Brexit, Get Brexit Done.
Blah blah blah

@corduroyal

You are actually think that over 17 million people voted leave because they don’t like eu migrants !!! Talk about stereotyping

You do realise that (shock horror ) that not every leaver is racist don’t you or do you have poor comprehension skills

theunknownknown
No, the only blame to be attributed is to those who voted leave.

Such a closed mindset, the inability to think beyond your own prejudice.