To think we shouldn't be bringing brits back from China

[MozzchopsThirty]

I see the US are rescuing their citizens.
How does this work?
Do they quarantine the plane, crew & passengers

Surely this just creates more risk

IMHO lockdown should mean lockdown

If they’re brought back, quarantine should be compulsory, not just ask them to stay at home for two weeks.

@woodchuck. See my previous post about MN users who can't stay in if they've a holiday booked or need to take them swimming 🙄
If you think everyone will stay in your naive

They probably will be doing just that, fligglepige

Proper quarantine should be just that, not just being brought home and then told to self monitor and ring 111 if feeling ill which is what will happen

I'm glad they're bringing them back. As a country we should absolutely look after our citizens whether they are here or abroad. I doubt very much they'll be brought back and immediately left to mingle with the rest of the public anyway, there will be measures in place to minimize the risk. You sound incredibly selfish.

@TheOddThing absolutely!

mozzchops have you really so little empathy?
Of course people want to protect themselves and their family but we also live in a society......most of us can see the bigger picture whilst doing what we can to minimise the risk to ourselves and loved ones.

You’ve only got to look at the threads about people taking out their children with chickenpox or sending them to school when they’ve been boking all night to know that you can’t rely on everyone to do the right thing. This is why it should be a proper quarantine.

There was a man on the news last night whose gran was visiting him and her medication was starting to run out. That lady should be returned home pronto

If her medication is starting to run out then is that because she didn't take enough with her? That's down to her to manage and not the government if that is the case. When people go overseas one of the things they need to do is take enough (and a bit extra) medication for their holiday so they have some if there is a delay. I usually take double what I need.

I have a close relative in China. I am not convinced that an immediate evacuation is warranted or in their interests. The Chinese are enforcing quarantine to contain the spread. They have better population control mechanisms than we do and a large army that can manage food supplies.

From the information we are receiving the risk of catching it is low. The risk of serious complications leading to death are low in a healthy adult.

And all we will do with returnees is tell them to self quarantine and call 111. Which is a proportionate response. It is what contained swine flu. We can’t and won’t be holding them in isolation or at a treatment centre, unless they are symptomatic and at risk.

The French citizens who want to return are being flown back in planes (military?) & landing at airports where they do not mix with the general travellers & are going into 14 days quarantine.

If her medication is starting to run out then is that because she didn't take enough with her? That's down to her to manage and not the government if that is the case

Yeah, fuck her right? 🙄

Jesus, the any kind of empathy is astounding! I suspect she couldn't take enough to account for a sudden lock down of the country with no given end date.

the lack of empathy

I'm in Australia ,and yes the Government is talking about bringing back thousands of people stranded in China . It concerns me because nobody seems to know a lot about this disease, and you can't put thousands of people in quarantine for 14 days.

Most of these people have gone there to work - so why not stay there instead of rushing home when the going gets rough .

I don't understand the "stay home for two weeks" level of quarantine. Few people live alone or only with other people on the same flight. I just don't understand how it could be effective. I suspect it isn't, it just reduces speed of spread of transmission.

I also think there is a lot of weirdness on this thread It can't simultaneously be "not that bad" and "if they were your loved ones you would want them out".

I've been involved with managing livestock outbreaks, like foot and mouth. I understand that different groups have different risk factors - but what I've heard sounds very lax.

Most of these people have gone there to work - so why not stay there instead of rushing home when the going gets rough .

For the same reason we house refugees escaping from war zones?

If her medication is starting to run out then is that because she didn't take enough with her? That's down to her to manage and not the government if that is the case

Nope. It's because she's had to stay there a lot longer than she anticipated.

I'm sure OP is or used to be a nurse. I bloody hope she shows more compassion to her patients than she does on here.

The granny stuck in China whose medication is running out, wasn’t expecting to be locked down in Wuhan with no means of getting back to the UK.

I used to live in HK and was there during SARS. I’ve also been to China lots. This virus is not like SARS and has a low mortality rate. No, I’d not evacuate our citizens as I feel there is no need. I would help with supplies and logistics though e.g. makeshift hospitals, medics, masks etc.

So far this virus is quick to spread and that is the problem. The logistics of dealing with millions of people with flu is a nightmare. However, it’s not a massive killer yet, unless it mutates into something very nasty. China is a cramped place with lots of poverty meaning it spreads fast and it probably floors people more than it should.

I’ll be buying anti bacterial hand gel and encouraging my family to wash hands more often. If it gets here I may buy some surgical masks. I did for a long time keep a SARS box with stuff in, but binned it when I moved back here.

I think it’s already here anyway!

"If her medication is starting to run out then is that because she didn't take enough with her?"

How many days past her expected flight back is she?

Perhaps she did take enough & a bit extra?

OP I don't think you understand what being the citizen of a country means.

Do you think you just lose all rights the minute you get on a plane?

Maybe you'd fit in pretty well in China with that attitude.

They don't cease to be citizens just because they went abroad. You don't give up your UK passport at the airport. They need to be brought back and isolated for 2 weeks. It's not that hard but the UK will fuck it up and just let them loose because the NHS is already on it's knees and people keep voting for a Tory government that slashes funding soooo....

I don’t understand why we worry so much about what the 300 or so Brits will bring back but still have multiple daily flights from China.

I'm just grateful for the food standards we have in this country. All these awful new viruses seem to come from animals.

I personally don't think people should be able to return until the outbreak is under control. We all know how horribly norovirus spreads over the winter because generation snowflake doesn't think the 48 hours applies to them. How many people are going to self quarantine for 2 weeks on their return? Very very few. And there will be unneccessary exposure to airport/airline staff.

Sorry but to protect the mass, you inconvenience a few.

"If her medication is starting to run out then is that because she didn't take enough with her?"

She appears to have brought enough for her expected duration of stay, and for a couple of weeks beyond that. She hasn't quite run out yet.

I don't think anyone packs for a holiday by prepping for your destination being sealed off indefinitely