To think we shouldn't be bringing brits back from China

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I see the US are rescuing their citizens.
How does this work?
Do they quarantine the plane, crew & passengers

Surely this just creates more risk

IMHO lockdown should mean lockdown

Why is it these things seems to start in China in the first place?

Why is it these things seems to start in China in the first place?

Like the swine flu that started in Mexico and Ebola that started in Africa you mean? Let's also not forget the spanish flu.

Because it comes from wildlife, they think snakes, and they eat them at markets

God knows why that wasn't stopped after SARS, it says there is now a 'temporary' ban on these wild animal markets

I wondered how long it would be before the "they eat weird stuff" racist shite began.

@sosaidzarathustra.

My 23 year old son is visiting friends in Beijing having flown in via wuhan the day before flights were stopped. He doesn't seem overly concerned

He’s 23, they’re immortal aren’t they?😉

His friends have contacts working in the hospitals and the situation seems a lot bigger than us being reported, particularly with regard to deaths of otherwise healthy people

Yes and he’s not the only one reporting this. Yet people keep siting the ‘low death rate’

This is the Chinese Govt, not exactly known for their openness or honesty

@Poorolddaddypig, please can you share your source of information for saying that “most people have already recovered “?

From the data I’ve seen, more cases have resulted in death than recovery yet.

Thanks

The low death rate is a classic example of lying with numbers. They say that only 80 people died so far but 4000 have the virus. That says precisely nothing about the death rate. Of those 4000 some people will also die. The 80 died when there were less people who had the virus. The correct death rate can be calculated by taking 1000 infected people, wait till the're all either better or dead and then add up the deaths. For some reason this information has not been given out yet though.

I wondered who long before I'd be called 'racist'. It is true about the wild food markets. It would be regulated better in other countries (I guess people here might eat roadkill and other 'weird shit' too, but not routinely, in open markets, known to all.

Amazing level of sympathy from an ITU nurse

we won't actually be quarantining our people, just asking them to stay at home for 2 weeks

that's one way to do quarantine.

OP seems to not have the remotest idea how the international system functions, or the over-arching purpose and duties of nation states to their citizens. Let alone the fact she has missed out on the empathy chip.

I think some of the people working there are doing business for British companies so probably quite important to the British economy.

Safety steps should be taken but we should bring British people back like other countries have. As others have said if people start coming back in dribs and drabs via other routes it will be more dangerous.

From the BBC news site, questions on the virus (cut and paste)

Is there any reason such viruses are emerging more from China? - Gautam

Yes - large populations of people living in close proximity to animals.
This coronavirus almost certainly came from an animal source, with one suggestion being snakes. Sars, another coronavirus that originated in China, came from bats and the civet cat.
The early cases of this new infection were traced to the South China Seafood Wholesale Market. Live wild animals were also sold including chickens, bats and snakes.
It is a far cry from the usual shopping experience if you are used to your meat nicely cut up and in clear plastic packaging in your typical Western-supermarket.

Yikes OP. Empathy bypass or what?

I wish people would stop hyping up this flu thing. It’s winter in the norther hemisphere and there’s a lot of flu about. The media are going overboard on this one though. Helps their pro-brexit agenda to keep us scared and wanting isolation from all those “dirty foreigners.”

It’s Chinese New Year so they’re taking longer holidays and shutting down public spaces as a precaution and as part of the three week long festivities. It plays a nice narrative of precaution on their part and inspiring some fear in the rest of the world to play it up as a quarantine situation.

Remember only a few thousand are sick in cities with over 10 million citizens. Deaths total less than a hundred. Very typical of any kind of flu.

Let’s get it in perspective! Thanks for showing your true colours though OP. I would avoid you, and anyone with your heartless attitude like the plague if I met you irl 😬

But yes, call me a 'racist' for simply telling the truth

I am not sure whether there us any legislation to enforce quarantine on return to the UK??

I imagine if you want to be airlifted out by your Govt, you’ll need to sign an agreement.

I wondered how long it would be before the "they eat weird stuff" racist shite began

🙄. Given it’s come from ‘weird food they eat, in unsanitary conditions at markets’ stating that fact is not ‘racist’. 🙄. I have no idea if you are Chinese or not obviously, but none of the Chinese people I know would take offence at the statement and are saying much the same themselves!

It’s the general hygiene of the markets that’s problematic

You have cooked food, meat, live animals, slaughter in close proximity. Also animals brought in from the wild. Of course it’s going to bring problems, whether the market is in Asia, Africa or anywhere else.

I think there's a lot of misunderstandings on here.

There is a reason why the experts are highly concerned about this outbreak - I started a thread on the Preppers topic where I have shared a lot of factual links.

It isn't just like the common cold for 90% of people.

It is more serious than the seasonal flu. Perhaps 2-3 times as serious.

It's more like the 1918 flu if anything based on what is known so far, probably a lesser mortality rate.

Think swine flu level replication (1 in 5 people) with a 3-10% mortality. Even at 3% that would be c. 400,000 dead.

We have 6.5 million people in our city and 10 cases of the virus. All of them were either from Wuhan or had visited recently.

Everyone likes to scaremonger and blame the Chinese government, but the way it seems here (actually in China) the government are doing everything quickly to prevent further spread rather than as a panicked response to the situation.

It's scary of course, but it's not a zombie invasion.

It’s Chinese New Year so they’re taking longer holidays and shutting down public spaces as a precaution and as part of the three week long festivities

Don’t be so fucking ridiculous.

...and while some of the first cases were traced back to the seafood market. The first known case has now been shown not to be connected to the seafood market (I'll post a link in a sec)

I wondered how long it would be before the "they eat weird stuff" racist shite began.

How is it racist to talk about the food when the probable source of the virus is bats/snakes at the food market? Only you referred to it as "weird stuff"

why is the food market thing racist?

My relatives abroad express concern about this all the time! It was always talked of in my childhood, by the ones who emigrated here, as "thank goodness that infection risk isn't in the UK". Yes, before anyone asks - relatives in NHS! So not people making random observations.

so why is it "racist"?

LoveIsLovely why is it racist to say they eay strange stuff? we eat strange stuff, people all over the world eat weird stuff, my mate eats weird stuff, whats racist about it?