To think we shouldn't be bringing brits back from China

[MozzchopsThirty]

I see the US are rescuing their citizens.
How does this work?
Do they quarantine the plane, crew & passengers

Surely this just creates more risk

IMHO lockdown should mean lockdown

The Chinese are handling it pretty well, IMO. Comment from a Chinese friend: just as well we don't live in a democracy, it's easier to shut things down.

Other countries are bringing their nationals home, only the Brits seem, ATM, to be "giving advice". I think it's better to get the foreigners out, especially if they don't speak Chinese, to their home countries where they can communicate well with medical staff.

Also i think they've identified the pathology of the virus pretty quickly - they have high population density and huge mega cities, they need to be set up for this kind of thing.

I think that, with proper quarantine, it is absolutely the right thing to do.

The thing is, lots of Chinese people are coming in every day. There are 120, 000 Chinese students.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/education-51149445

There are not enough NHS isolation units to keep a plane full of people who may or may not be infected.
Even in a big city we have 1 proper isolation room with the correct air flow

There are currently 1500 people who came back to the UK recently and we have no idea where they are and neither does the government

So you think that once you go to another country your UK citizenship ceases to mean anything?

When I had the corona virus and was hospitalised with it, my bloods came back within two days. So quarantine may not have to be for long.

It does take up to 14 days for symptoms but does show up on bloods before then.

It would cost us more to refuse to bring people back have them die and pay compensation.

This is a health threat, but one we can manage under these circumstances.

@AudacityOfHope I have a friend who has lived in China for almost 15 years
I don't think she should be able to vote for things like brexit etc as it has no effect on her at all.
She will never return to the UK

So yes I think if you leave, work abroad and have no intention of returning (unless there's an outbreak then you can't wait to get back). Then yes you lose your UK rights

Flu kills far more people, of course. Far, far more people. But at a guess if it were OP's 20 year old daughter stuck in Wuhan, even if she were an English teacher there, no doubt OP would be bleating about why isn't the UK government bringing theoretical DD home and STAT. Luckily there are people who can see the bigger picture but sadly our citizens aren't being rescued from a very scary situation in Wuhan. Keep this in mind the next time you book a holiday to a far-off country that you wouldn't want to be stranded in indefinitely . We're letting our citizens down.

Brefugee, you are right. They have. The Chinese authorities are cooperating with disease specialists around the world and were able to e-mail its DNA sequence to them without even having to send a sample. Their understanding is lightyears ahead of it was when the SARS epidemic happened.

I do hope that the whole experience of being quarantined precipitates a wholesale change in attitude towards the sale and consumption of meat in China. Having live animals, fresh meat and cooked food for sale side by side is a recipe for stomach problems, let alone flu pandemics. It is also horrendous for Chinese wildlife.

@MozzchopsThirty

"There are not enough NHS isolation units to keep a plane full of people who may or may not be infected."

Why do you think that?

I've been on an isolation ward in the Liverpool Royal, it's connected to the school of tropical medicine (as in the doctors work across both fields as well as Infectious diseases). The Royal Liverpool has the potential to use two floors as isolation wards.

There are other hospitals that can do similar.

The consultants that work out of their go in when the Elboa and Zita etc crisis started, they have been awarded M/OBEs etc.

@MozzchopsThirty
Lol you really think the Chinese government know what they're doing????Have you ever been to China??

An outbreak like this would throw any country into near chaos.

What about people working over there but who work for UK based organisations? I know lots of university academics who teach out there for a large proportion of the year but they work for a UK university.
You have a very selfish, narrow viewpoint OP.

But you've no idea of the variety of reasons people are in China. So your point doesn't really work. Basically it comes down to you don't want potentially sick people anywhere near you, and you'd rather their own government let them get ill and possibly die, as long as you're ok.

@MozzchopsThirty you have some really fucking horrible thoughts about people in the midst of a disease outbreak. Can’t imagine not wanting to help other people.

The Liverpool Royal (as will other hospitals) already have teams of specialist Infectious Disease Nurses and full teams.

It's the teams that deal with HIV, TB, HEPs, Malaria and travel worldwide to deal with all of the tropical diseases.

The blood work will already be taken and be sent, as said.

I think they should be brought back but perhaps it needs to be done gradually so that each person can be isolated and tested. I'm more worried about the Chinese students coming in.

I hope they do manage it not just tell them stay home ffs when i had swine flu I was told to stay home but I needed Tamiflu I couldnt leave the house to get it no one would help I begged people just to shove it through the letter box they fucking refused my dad finally relented and got it shoved it through the letter box and left rapidly like you could catch it through a door no one called no one offered to drop off food over the bloody fence even personally I would have starved but my 9 year old daughter went to the shop and bought cat food real food even nappies for her baby brother all who were stuck in the house with me

If I had been on my own I probably would have left the house because I needed to eat house quarantine doesnt work in some cases

1. Stop watching Brad Pitt movies and confusing them with real life.
2. Stop being so selfishly self-centred.

I have a friend who has lived in China for almost 15 years
I don't think she should be able to vote for things like brexit etc as it has no effect on her at all.
She will never return to the UK
If she holds a UK passport she will be affected by Brexit. See no. 2 above.

Wow, you're alright Jack, aren't you OP!

I think that so long as there is a quarantine period that corresponds to the disease incubation period it is the right thing to do.

But my opinion is that we should now be doing this for every flight that comes from China, or where someone's passport shows they've been in China within the last month. I don't mind the flights still running and people from China coming into the country but not not quarantine first just means its now inevitable that cases will appear in this country, which we're probably days away.

"And they'll use a military hospital for quarantine"

What military hospital?

You don't need the full containment for the kind of quarantine required for thus. They might occupy some isolation beds if any of them become ill and get the more serious version which requires inpatient care.

We are not less competent than the countries who are retrieving their nationals, nor ill-equipped in comparison.

FCO page is urging stranded Brits to register, so I hope something is on the cards. Presumably with there being a Brexit deal, the obligation to mutually assist will continue beyond Friday? Though if we can send an RAF passenger plane, working with allies might not be a key issue

@MozzchopsThirty, it's unlawful worldwide to make people 'stateless'. That was one of the arguments for the Begum case, but she held a Pakistan Passport.

We can't make other countries issue passports for our citizens. Nor should we.

@slipperywhensparticus I would hope that most people's extended families aren't as selfish as yours though and that most people would stay indoors if asked to.

It's not like they'll be hopping off the plane and nipping straight into Asda for milk, infecting everyone along the way.

Oh bleeding hearts of MN
I love that you're all so thoughtful

But really we're all selfish, I'd rather protect my family thanks

The post didn't say 'isolation wards' it said 'isolation units'
An isolation unit or room is very specific and large city hospitals don't have lots of them

During the swine flu there was one ward here which was specifically for those patients and nurses were fitted with proper PPE

So isolation wards yes
Isolation units - not so much

The americians are charging their citizens, to fly them back to San Francisco, where they are then on their own to find a way home. It's not an evacuation plane, if what I'm reading in an expat group is right, it's an offer to buy a seat on a plane they are hoping to get out of Wuhan.