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To want to write an honest review of this air BnB guest?

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drainednow · 27/01/2020 15:56

Time has now passed so I don't think I can but don't know what else to do

I Wanted to specify only women to stay in my property with me and was advised by Air BnB that would be discrimination against men

Ended up taking 2 bookings from men - one who booked under his wife's account and then announced it would be him - was fine but uncomfortable stay

Second was young bloke who when I exited my bathroom in morning had his bedroom door wide open (across from bathroom so direct line of sight - flat is 54 sq foot so tiny) and was naked on the bed wanking

His reaction to me closing the door abruptly told me he had intended to be seen (weird as fuck I'm 44 not hot and not interested - he was in his 20s)

Air BnB said defamation if I put it on his review (14 days passed now)

How can I protect myself without having to stop renting out my second bedroom to make ends meet but not accept men to stay as Air BnB won't permit discrimination?

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Mycatwontstopstaring · 27/01/2020 16:50

It’s been a long time since I looked at discrimination law but I think that Airbnb are wrong and that you are allowed to specify no men. Generally speaking you can’t discriminate on the grounds of tenant’s sex when letting... UNLESS you are also living in the property, in which I think you can. To protect women from precisely this sort of shit. I’m not 100% certain, google small premises exemption to equality act 2010.

Personally I would report the guest’s behaviour to the police, as sexual harassment. The police need to know, possibly he does this all the time.

Iooselipssinkships · 27/01/2020 16:51

Isn't this indecent exposure or is that only in public? What crime would this be considered?

It's horrific and he needs err exposing. I would report to police on 101.

PatellarTendonitis · 27/01/2020 16:52

Sadly then it looks like you're stuck because even if you could state females only, a man could rock up and say he's a woman and AirB&B will likely side with him.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/01/2020 16:52

Why can't you use Instabook? This bit seems to imply that you can:

'If you get a reservation from a guest whose gender is different from yours, you can cancel penalty-free if you meet the following requirements:

The reservation was booked using Instant Book
You share living spaces with your guests
You specified in your House Rules that only guests of your gender are allowed to book'

mummmy2017 · 27/01/2020 16:54

What are the rules on refusing to let a person have the room if they are making you frightened?

drainednow · 27/01/2020 16:54

Regarding gender/sex I was unable to refuse booking of man under his wife's account without punishment according to terms and conditions (blocked booking dates) because air BnB of view that the man was identifying as a woman - turned out was his wife ! And he just couldn't be arsed to set up hid own account - it was awkward but polite/fine - I would just rather be able to say men/ male bodied ppl are too much of a risk to me and not permit them to insta book but that is what I am not allowed to do so I can't use insta book

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drainednow · 27/01/2020 16:56

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel can you send me link please? Hoping it has changed and that's from air BnB website

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/01/2020 17:02

Air BnB rules on gender discrimination

As others have pointed out they do go by self identified gender so you can't exclude biological males who id as women, but most don't.
(in all the years we have rented rooms to female lodgers we have had many men simply ignoring the 'women only' bit of the advert, but we have never had a reply from a transwoman.)

Lordfrontpaw · 27/01/2020 17:08

Well since they say gender and not sex they are dingbats. So what about a landlord/lady who is been raped and doesn’t want an unknown penis in their home?

drainednow · 27/01/2020 17:15

Thanks @TheCountessofFitzdotterel v helpful

ote: Airbnb does not assign a gender identity to our users. We consider the gender of an individual to be what they identify and/or designate on their profile.

It was this bit that prevented me from refusing the husband turning up booked under his wife's account without penalty- appreciate transwimen are rare but male perverts pretending to be women aren't!

To the person saying specify no penises that's what I want to say really - it would literally prevent being forced to host wankers

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PineappleDanish · 27/01/2020 17:15

Agree that the chances are you're not going to get a transwoman. But the situation with a bloke booking in his wife's name - that's really bad even if there was no malicious intent.

seltaeb · 27/01/2020 17:17

It sounds as though your home is not really suitable for Airbnb, could you get a female lodger instead?

FrannyHy · 27/01/2020 17:18

I am a airbnb host and I will only rent to single women. If you share space with your guests this is allowed.

If you have instant book on, I believe that you can alter your settings so only women can book. However, I filter my guests myself.

I insist on guests having a photo on their profile. If it doesn’t match the person that comes to the door then they are not coming in my house.

I have taken a booking from a male guest once by mistake. He had ignored my listing heading which says single women only, the same statement in my house rule, and in my booking description.

I rang Airbnb to cancel him, and they threatened to fine me and take sixty quid off my next payment. I had three bookings upcoming and told the person I spoke to that I would leave the site, so that they could not take that payment. I also told the person I spoke to that I would leave it to her to tell my three upcoming guests that they no longer had a place to stay, and if she didn’t they would be turned away.

She backed down and cancelled the man’s booking.

drainednow · 27/01/2020 17:19

Ps husband was not being malicious he was surprised I was surprised but his Christian name was one that could be male or female and I was unable to tell from account name that the Christian name he was using was different to the owner of the account .... if that makes sense? Eg It didn't occur to me to say are you same person on photo of this account profile because could have been female name

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Clarabella77 · 27/01/2020 17:21

That sounds awful!

If you need a lodger for money it might suit you better to try other channels to seek tenants other than Air BnB, and then you would have greater control over who you accept.

drainednow · 27/01/2020 17:21

@FrannyHy yes yes yes my experience was v aggressive push back from customer services threatening my future boookings - from women customer services reps for air BnB - trying to understand how you managed to make them back down

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Lordfrontpaw · 27/01/2020 17:24

They judged back even when you told them you had a sex pest wanking in full view?

SleepingKitty · 27/01/2020 17:25

Have Air bnb not even banned the wanker?

Why couldn't you write an honest review of him?

Ahundredpercentthatbitch · 27/01/2020 17:27

It's not defamation if it's true.

FrannyHy · 27/01/2020 17:28

@ Drainednow

I had three future bookings. I told the CSR that I would leave the site rather than have the money deducted from my future earnings. I also said that I would leave to her to cancel those bookings if I did.

Lordfrontpaw · 27/01/2020 17:29

If he likes doing this - then what? Can we safely assume that his behaviour may escalate to much worse until he sexually abuses someone? How much do you think air B&B will get sued if they knew this and didn’t ban this man or warn landlords?

CodenameVillanelle · 27/01/2020 17:31

Experienced Airbnb host here
Did you only realise the booked guest wasn't the one who was staying when he arrived? 3rd party bookings are against Airbnb t&cs so I don't know why you think you couldn't turn him away or cancel the booking without penalty if you found out beforehand.
Also who told you it was defamation to post a negative review? And if you couldn't be specific about the wanking why not allude to inappropriate behaviour? I have had two guests who behaved inappropriately (nothing like wanking I'd have called the police on him) and I wrote them both bad reviews. Now you've left it too late to do anything to warn other hosts. How irresponsible.
Airbnb take the safety of their hosts seriously. I ended a stay half way through with no refund after a guest went in my bedroom when I wasn't there. Airbnb were nothing but supportive.

Italiangreyhound · 27/01/2020 17:31

I would not have an unknown male staying in my house ever. I think it is probably quite a dangerous thing to do.

Sorry.

Sorry that I have to say it. Sorry someone will take offense at it. Sorry that to me it is quite obvious.

Not all men are like that, of course, 100%. But sadly some people are and I would simply not take bookings from men.

I'd personally rather have a female lodger I felt safe with.

Good luck.

Dolorabelle · 27/01/2020 17:32

was advised by Air BnB that would be discrimination against men

I'm not an expert but as far as I know there's no law which protects men from this kind of "discrimination" Being male is not a protected characteristic in this respect. And there are proprtionate reasons for not permitting men to book your spare room.

Still getting over my shock (and anger) at reading @Whynosnowyet 's post about a B&B host being raped in hher own home.

CassidyStone · 27/01/2020 17:35

Even though it's retrospective, I would still speak to the police at this man masturbating in your presence. It's a sexually related offence. God knows how many other Airbnb hosts he's treated to inadvertently witnessing his self-pleasuring. Indecent exposure is the thrill, the fact you are 40 odd and not interested is completely irrelevant.

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