To think everyine has forgotten about next Frìday?

[malificent7]

Brexit isn't it? Im a remainer and i feel ok about it...at least my hysteria has died down. What about the rest of you?

I'm going to be trying not to think about it.

I will be in another European country with friends. We will be sharing wine and trying to cheer one another up. But we will be sad.

I haven't forgotten, but it may appear that Remainers have, because we are all supposed to shut up about it and be good sports now we have apparent "consensus", and to express any genuine doubt, concerns or scepticism is tantamount to "letting the side down Johnny". So many of us are keeping quiet.

Reading this thread is making me feel sad too. How anyone can rejoice in the fact that we will no longer be represented by our MEPs and that we will we lose our voice and influence in Europe is beyond me. It has taken forty years to build consensus and cooperation and share knowledge in very practical ways and it's all being destroyed over what? A conceited idea about sovereignty when anyone with any common sense knows that you give a way a bit of sovereignty every time you join an international organisation such as NATO, the UN, or dare I say, the WTO ... .

The EU is not perfect but being part of it has served us well, and sadly how well will only become apparent after Jan 31st next year ... .

Are they allowed to make factual references about the politicians from both sides that have fucked this up?

They can do whatever they want, it’s a free country, for now at least. (In the interest of coming together, I’ll forget about the witch hunt against our judges and the headlines screaming Traitor)

If you are asking what’s necessary to earn my personal respect, well first of all let me say that I’m really flattered that you hold my opinion in such regard. If only my views had held such weight before the referendum we might not be in this mess, eh?

Yes, of course people are “allowed” to make factual references about the politicians from both sides that have fucked this up.

However, if they blame a politician for “fucking up” when it’s blindingly obvious there was no way to deliver what the electorate had voted for, I’m going to think very little of the person trying to shift blame to the politician when they voted something any people were telling them at the time was either naively optimistic, dangerously uninformed, or a downright lie.

So yeah, blame all the politicians you want, but at the end of the day it’s your vote that gave them the opportunity to fuck things up for all of us. Thanks for that.

I'll be raising a mournful glass to our EU friends on Friday and bracing for the economic shit-storm that's heading our way.

Actually the economic predictions have changed, we are now forecast to be the fastest growing economy,

I think op it's because nothing changes next Friday, but also because people were pig sick of it and wanted to stop talking about it.

@ turnturnturn

“No, I'm a British citizen and human being who doesn't like having changes imposed on my life and my country which are neither personally beneficial nor for a greater good”.

And that is exactly why many of us voted for Brexit............!!!

“You can tell that remainers are praying for it to fail so they can say ‘I told you so’ it’s utterly pathetic and says a lot about them

I’m sure some of them will spend the rest of their lives monitoring the effects of brexit, literally praying for disaster.
It’s sad really. their lives must be very lonely and empty”

Wow. As an ardent Remainer, it genuinely wouldn't occur to me to think like this. I live abroad (trailing spouse) but I love my home country and have close family in the UK. I am horribly sad about Brexit because I think it is going to cause economic strife. Some members of my family are quite hard up and I am worried in particular about higher food costs. And of course travel back and forth to see them and vice versa is going to be more difficult and expensive too. Why on earth would I be happy about that?

And that is exactly why many of us voted for Brexit............!!!

So you don’t see peace in Europe, reduced barriers to trade while maintaining social, consumer, environmental and economic standards, having clout against the Chinese and US economies, as changes for the greater good?

What exactly is your definition of greater good? I’m really interested to know.

Blibbyblobby

If you are asking what’s necessary to earn my personal respect

I'm not

well first of all let me say that I’m really flattered that you hold my opinion in such regard.

I don't, I'm trying to find out how you think and what you believe others should be allowed to do.

If only my views had held such weight before the referendum we might not be in this mess, eh?

With this level of narcissism you don't need anyone else to believe in you

You're not unreasonable, what will be will be.

I will sleep through it all, wake up when it's done and try to carry on as normal.

Blibbyblobby

So yeah, blame all the politicians you want, but at the end of the day it’s your vote that gave them the opportunity to fuck things up for all of us.

Thanks for the permission.

Thanks for that.

Your welcome.

People voted for austerity

No they didn’t, under the fptp system the majority voted against it we got it anyway.

Blibbyblobby

What exactly is your definition of greater good? I’m really interested to know.

I don't believe that you are.

I hadn't forgotten.

But because it's payday

Admit the whole brexit thing had passed me by. I'm also a remainder but know we have to move forward. Let's hope it's the right thing for the country.

Download ‘Ode to Joy’ as your phone ringtone!

Where is the information about ecomic growth coming from Bluntness?

Iirc, the FT's economists' survey doesn't predict any growth at all for 2020.

MasakaBuzz - sadly pro-Brexit politicians and their supporters have failed to make an evidence-based case which could enable the rest of us to understand or buy into your position.

If Brexiteers want rational remain voters to get behind them, they need to prove that they're right, not just repeat their opinions loudly while ignoring the majority of experts in affected fields who have repeatedly explained why Brexit does not make sense.

BurneyFanny

No they didn’t, under the fptp system the majority voted against it we got it anyway.

Our democracy is based on FPTP. Does it have to explained how it works? (fucked up though it is).

Actually the economic predictions have changed, we are now forecast to be the fastest growing economy,

I assume you mean vs the rest of EU, as certainly not the fastest globally!

I think it’s a combination of clawing back some of the earlier falls, (ie not pulling ahead, just less far behind) and the fact that Brexit also hurts Europe. Such a shame, proving that we were more than the sum of the parts. Ultimately though I think EU will suffer less, maybe not in raw GDP but certainly in actual impact to citizens.

The size of the single market means they have got much more economic weight going up against China, Russia and the US than we will alone, and that’s going to show up increasingly over the next decade.

Strong likelihood I think that in 10 years’ time we will be being told how great our growth has been outside Europe and wondering why if that is the case, our qualify of life seems so much worse. And the answer will be that the economic gains were concentrated into a few hands.

economic growth

I don't believe that you are.

Then you are wrong. If the list of goods I gave are not what the PP thinks of as greater goods, l do want to know what is.

That’s how we learn, right? Ask when we don’t understand, rather than letting a simplistic sound bite drive us?

Thanks for the permission.

Well you did ask for permission, I’m still not sure why but happy to oblige

Now next time there’s a cliff-edge vote with the potential to fuck up the next generation or so, please do feel free to consult me before you vote

Blibbyblobby

That’s how we learn, right? Ask when we don’t understand, rather than letting a simplistic sound bite drive us?

Yet, you are assuming that we were all driven by the sound bites. So after three years you have either not listened, not understood or refused to accept anyone else's view as having any validity, not exactly growth by anyone's standards.

Blibbyblobby

Well you did ask for permission, I’m still not sure why but happy to oblige

I didn't ask for any.

Now next time there’s a cliff-edge vote with the potential to fuck up the next generation or so, please do feel free to consult me before you vote

There is that narcissism that we have all come to know.

I keep forgetting I'm giving blood on Friday.
Brexit Friday will just be the start of a gradual shit show, I don't expect the sky to fall in.

I've certainly not forgotten I'm just trying to pretend it's not happening and telling myself that nothing will change until after the transition period anyway. I'm still very depressed about it though and thnk it's the biggest mistake the UK has made in my lifetime

Same. And that transition will have to be extended.