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To think everyine has forgotten about next Frìday?

515 replies

malificent7 · 26/01/2020 08:55

Brexit isn't it? Im a remainer and i feel ok about it...at least my hysteria has died down. What about the rest of you?

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pigsDOfly · 27/01/2020 23:29

That bloody generation

71 year old here who voted remain, my exh's older brother 91, he voted remain as well.

If you think it was only the old people who voted leave, how come the leave vote won, that makes no sense. Is the country overwhelmingly populated by old people, old people that voted leave?

Of the three people who I know definitely voted leave one is in her early 30s, one is in his mid 40s and one is in his 80s.

Canyousewcushions · 27/01/2020 23:34

I'm devastated. And No, I haven't forgotten. I just don't want to talk about it... or I'll rant till the cows come home and never stop talking about it.

The one positive I can see is that once we're out, we can start campaigning to rejoin. The election result meant that any campaigning to cancel it was rendered pointless, but maybe we can recharge and have a different message to campaign about for the next election.

mynamechangemyrules · 27/01/2020 23:36

It would be great to hear reasons for leaving that couldn’t be debunked with ten seconds on Google.

100% this.

I don't live in the U.K., I'm an economic migrant to another country because as a Brit in Britain I was paid naff all. How terribly shocking! Leaving to work for a better life!

Anyway, plans to move home have been postponed indefinitely because of Brexit.

Then I met two of my first real life Brexiteers last weekend. (Not many people who travel the world for work were up for Brexit, unsurprisingly)

Well, I was unpleasantly surprised how many Mumsnet tropes they lived up to. They started arguing about how they were against the EU bloody army FGS. And lots about 'immigrants' taking what they could (ahem, like you, here in our host country? Living in standards well above where we would all be back in the U.K.?!!) It was embarrassing. Once I had (literally) shown them the evidence against all their gobshite arguments, they said 'well nothing could be proven' and they were 'just happy to be out of the grip of people who don't have British interests at heart'
They haven't lived in the U.K. for over a decade and submitted two Leave votes.

Whenever the question is posed on here; 'please tell us why you voted Brexit' nobody can do it. Again and again and again. They repeat the same tired, disproven nonsense. Admit it! Admit in your hearts the reasons you really voted! Fear, insecurity, racism, selfishness, greed, whatever it was, but leave these tired old excuses behind please.

I am having a party on Friday. Like a wake for the EU, we will eat amazing (regulated) European food and drink their wine, and leave you to it Leavers. Cheers Wine

Canyousewcushions · 27/01/2020 23:36

I'm not looking forward to the transition peiord though- another year of 'do or die' Boris....taking us to the edge again and again in hopes it'll sway a massive trading bloc to grant a tiny little island a heap of concessions.

Alaimo · 27/01/2020 23:49

I came to the UK 10+ years ago to study. One of the reasons for choosing the UK was the ease of moving here (for an EU citizen) compared to the US, Canada or Australia. I then pursued a postgraduate education and have been working in the UK as a research scientist for the last few years.

Next month I'm off. Back to the EU to pursue my research there. I might move back to the UK one day, but for now the benefits of being in the EU (from both a professional and personal perspective) simply outweigh staying in the UK.

I don't necessarily count myself among the 'best and brightest' (and think it's a horrible phrase) but migrants who fit that description do have the most options as to where to move. I have no doubt the UK will continue to be an attractive destination to many, but I would also think I'm not the only one to weigh up their choices and decide the grass is greener elsewhere.

LordBuckley · 28/01/2020 00:05

Those of us who live in EU countries certainly haven't forgotten about it. We've had rights taken away from us without even being allowed to vote on it.
I'm one of the many who've been forced to take out a new citizenship, but it'll be years before it comes through.
In the meantime I daren't risk travelling abroad. Luckily it's a nice country I live in, so it's no great hardship.

bert3400 · 28/01/2020 00:16

A solid EU supporter here. I am so upset we are actually leaving the UK . Moving to Spain and I have applied for my Irish passport. We will get residencia in Spain before the end of 2020 .

BurneyFanny · 28/01/2020 06:24

I'm 45 and I've never voted on the Corn Laws. I DEMAND A REFERENDUM.

Theworldisfullofgs · 28/01/2020 06:35

This is just the beginning. This shit show will go on for years.

No one will be able to forget about it.

bellinisurge · 28/01/2020 06:43

Not forgotten. Head down waiting - likely to be celebratory fireworks here.

ExEUCitizen · 28/01/2020 07:22

Typical Mumsnet. The result was leave and the demographics who delivered that leave vote have been well explored. All the minority examples popping up in typical Mumsnet fashion are merely describing the social circles they move in. Thank you so much for being minorities, does that help?? I also pointed out fairly clearly, I thought, that this is merely the latest thing that that generation as a class has taken away from the generations below, as I have observed over the years.

chomalungma · 28/01/2020 07:29

I thought, that this is merely the latest thing that that generation as a class has taken away from the generations below, as I have observed over the years

Didn't you know you are only allowed to talk about a group as a class on here when the groups aren't on MN?

Only certain groups can be talked about as a class.
When that group is actually on MN - such as older people, then you get complaints and are accused of ageism.

Otherwise it's perfectly ok to to talk about groups as a class.

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 28/01/2020 08:18

However I get incredibly fed up with the fact that people who voted to stay have refused to accept the result of a democratic vote

Democratic, apart from the advisory vote having been morphed into a binding vote without any of the necessary checks and balances. Democratic, apart from Russian interference...

I think this is a great country, with a proud history of democracy, and of doing what is right, even when what is right might seem insane to outsiders

Ah, British (or more likely English) exceptionalism. Perhaps look at history from other nations’ perspectives.

MasakaBuzz · 28/01/2020 08:58

@mynamechangemyrules

“Whenever the question is posed on here; 'please tell us why you voted Brexit' nobody can do it. Again and again and again. They repeat the same tired, disproven nonsense. Admit it! Admit in your hearts the reasons you really voted! Fear, insecurity, racism, selfishness, greed, whatever it was, but leave these tired old excuses behind please.”

People do, but Europhiles refuse to accept those reasons, and come out with the tired old crap above. I particularly savour the “it was only an advisory Referendum”.

The fact remains that the people in support of the EU were unable to give sufficiently persuasive arguments in favour of Remaining to swing the result in their favour.

I voted Leave because:-

  1. I do not see the EU as Democratic.
  2. I don’t think the EU has been a force for good, and has actually impacted negatively on large parts of the EU demographic.

What right have people who voted to Stay got, to demand that people who voted Leave explain themselves?

Amongst my circle of family and friends I would say it’s about a 60:40 split in favour of Leave. There are no patterns relative to age and educational attainment.

What I do know is we manage to have different views without being abusive towards each other for our choices.

This has been an interesting encounter withIn the minds of a Rabid Remainers.

I shall hide the thread now, but rest assured I will be thinking of you come Friday when I raise my glass in celebration.........!!!

Blibbyblobby · 28/01/2020 09:16

I particularly savour the “it was only an advisory Referendum”....I do not see the EU as Democratic.

Oh the irony. The pitiful, blind irony.

Leave's campaign funding would have been ILLEGAL if this had not been "advisory".

Your elected parliament who approved the original referendum bill were told a super-majority wasn't necessary because it was "advisory".

Now do you see how your "democracy" was a farce and a hijack?

oblada · 28/01/2020 09:16

Not democratic - coming from the UK this is a bit rich.
Any evidence to show the EU has had a negative impact? Again - where is the data? Did people vote Leave base on mere thoughts and opinions without researching evidence based data? It is very worrying.
I asked earlier for a pp to provide some evidence as to why they believed the EU to have caused such harm (prostitution, homelessness, jobs etc) and nothing has been forthcoming. Surprisingly.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 28/01/2020 09:18

Two borders round N.Ireland with no details on how they might actually operate. Possibly reigniting terrorism. Yeah great.

JassyRadlett · 28/01/2020 09:27

I think this is a great country, with a proud history of democracy, and of doing what is right, even when what is right might seem insane to outsiders

Hi! The people of India, Pakistan, Palestine, half of Africa, First Nations Australia and Canada, and a good whack of other countries would like a word.

HappydaysArehere · 28/01/2020 09:29

Agree with almost all posts. After every effort I have made, exhausting myself with anger and despair, I just gave up after the election. What’s the point of beating your head against a wall. Let Johnson have his time basking in his success and enjoying the experience of spilling out more lies about how we will all have trade deals coming out of our ears. His downfall will come along with suffering for this country.

JassyRadlett · 28/01/2020 09:30

And Ireland. Jesus that was a significant omission, sorry Ireland.

MsTSwift · 28/01/2020 09:47

Happy I agree. I have done all I can do personally. Let those that voted leave and brought this about sort it out. I have mentally checked out - you’re on your own. My children have got European passports in the nick of time which gives me perverse pleasure that the Leavers have failed in taking that away from our family at least.

ExEUCitizen · 28/01/2020 09:56

Chomalunga - Grin. I only wish we could leave the country too.

mynamechangemyrules · 28/01/2020 11:22

@JassyRadlett spot on!

^
I think this is a great country, with a proud history of democracy, and of doing what is right, even when what is right might seem insane to outsiders^

Hi! The people of India, Pakistan, Palestine, half of Africa, First Nations Australia and Canada, and a good whack of other countries would like a word.

mynamechangemyrules · 28/01/2020 11:25

@MasakaBuzz

^*I voted Leave because:-

  1. I do not see the EU as Democratic.
  2. I don’t think the EU has been a force for good, and has actually impacted negatively on large parts of the EU demographic.

What right have people who voted to Stay got, to demand that people who voted Leave explain themselves?*^

Well, thank you for answering at least. I feel I do have a right to ask, as I'm sure you would want to if someone voted for something you fundamentally believed to be wrong.
I think your arguments outlined in 1) & 2) wouldn't have been enough to convince me to vote Leave though, based as they are on no actual facts.

Urkiddingright · 28/01/2020 11:32

Haven’t forgotten at all but have noticed nobody has really mentioned it this month, the news has been focused solely on Harry which I think is a huge distraction.