To think everyine has forgotten about next Frìday?

[malificent7]

Brexit isn't it? Im a remainer and i feel ok about it...at least my hysteria has died down. What about the rest of you?

There is zero reason why we can’t continue to attract the brightest and best people to the U.K

A friend is a world-renowned expert in his field. He moved here nine years ago, raised his children here, continued to fly around the world up to 40 times a year, delivering lectures and practical help to the relevant institutions who commissioned him.

He was stunned by Brexit. He didn't see it coming. He said it made him feel unwelcome in a way that he couldn't have predicted.

He moved to a different EU country before Christmas, taking with him his children who were withdrawn from their fee-paying schools, his knowledge, his brilliance and everything he added to this country.

He is ONE person. There will be God knows how many others. It doesn't work the way you imagine. People look at this country and think racist, bigoted, small-minded, regressive. We're not welcome, we never were.

That's NOT how the landscape looked before Brexit. Arguably, we've shown our true face I guess.

My father needs a particular medical procedure every 6 weeks which can only be done by a specialist nurse. The lovely staff were all Spanish or Hungarian. They’ve all gone due to told dad this. Hospital struggling to provide this life saving procedure now. So no really not seeing any upside personally

Whereshallwemoveto - where is the evidence based data for all those ills brought about by EU??
Surely you do not just believe without having seen evidence??

As for the comments 'there is no reason we can't attract the brightest' - I'm afraid a LOT of very bright and valuable EU nationals have left and/or will not come now because of Brexit.
Why would a bright young EU national choose to come to the UK now? Brexit has made EU nationals feel unwelcome. If they have to go through a process of proving their worth I imagine most will turn their attention to another destination like the US (the popular alternative to the UK for many - may has well go there now) or indeed an emerging country.
My guess is this will also put off a lot of 'other' immigrants like Indian nationals (who similarly go either to the UK or US).

"May as well"

For those who voted leave do you feel any responsibility for people who are now leaving this country due to Brexit (including PP on this thread) and how people are feeling very nervous in Northern Ireland. In fact did you even consider NI when you voted?

I'm ambivalent. I voted to leave but now, it's gone on so long, that I don't really care anymore. I know this sounds pathetic.

I don’t feel any responsibility no.

Sadly it's done. Responsibility for what happens lies with the Conservative party. The ones who brought in the unnecessary austerity.

I hope it works out for people who want to be heard. But there will be no regional Government. There will be no proportional representatiion.

Power will rest with the elite in London. As always.

dirtyrotten did you consider the impact on Northern Ireland when you voted?

Resigned to the fact it's happening. Embarrassed by what's happening in this country. Relieved that when this all goes wrong, I played no part in voting for it. Thankful I can continue to have an EU passport (as can my children). Compassionate to my European friends (i work with many) who feel unwanted by this country.

malylis
The EDF fund also doesn't get counted as EU contributions when spent here Clav.

None of the European Development Fund (EDF) gets spent in the UK - it's an overseas development fund. I think you have confused the EDF with the ERDF - the European Regional Development Fund.

I'll take the figure used by the Treasury not the ONS. Which is the 7.8 bn. This is far more accurate as it covers all transfers from the EU to the UK, your link from the ONS agrees (proving once again that you just desperately google stuff to back your point rather than reading all of it)

It's hardly, "far more accurate" if the ONS link justifies the figures with phrases such as "arguably" and, "Some have argued that there are other payments that should be considered" [private sector receipts]. "Some have argued"^ doesn't sound very convincing to me.

Your rather desperate attempt to bring in the EDF into this is hilarious as it wouldn't be counted as a payment to the EU either, and isn't included in our contribution.

How odd then that there have been so many discussions in Brussels regarding the inclusion of the EDF (and other 'off-books' funds) into the budget - they haven't decided yet;

"there has been a long-running debate over whether the EDF should be formally integrated into the EU budget, or whether it should remain a separate fund financed by direct contributions from the EU’s member states."

"A particular focus is on the budgetary specificities of the EDF and the long-standing debate on its possible inclusion in the EU budget."

"EU European Affairs Ministers were divided on Tuesday 21 May [2019] in Brussels on the proposal to integrate the European Development Fund (EDF) into the European budget after 2020."

Got to give the translators something to do I suppose...

agenceurope.eu/en/bulletin/article/12259/2
facts4eu.org/news/2019_apr_30_billion_off-budget_fund

National Audit Office:
"HM Treasury’s estimate does not include the commitment deriving from the Withdrawal Agreement that the UK will continue to participate in the current European Development Fund (EDF), which covers the period from 1 January 2014 to 31 December 2020"... "HM Treasury expects the UK to make payments worth €3.3 billion (£2.9 billion) after the UK’s withdrawal, with payments forecast to continue until 2026."

impact on Northern Ireland when you voted?

I find it bizarre that almost 40% of the electorate in NI didn't bother to vote in the referendum.

@SeaWitchly

Masaka has encapsulated the Brexit dream in a nutshell. Keep out the 'dross' of humanity hmm

Yes - the dross. The people who come to this country just to take, and not to give. The criminals, and sex offenders that at the moment we either don’t know about or can’t keep out because the E.U. deems free movement must trump all else.

If the UK had wanted to restrict immigration it could of but it didn’t as the UK needs EU citizens.

I voted you as being unreasonable to feel OK about it.

There is zero reason why we can’t continue to attract the brightest and best people to the U.K.

In order to do that you have to give them and their families solid rights. Not just tolerate them while draining their expertise and then discard them. Attracting the best and brightest is incompatible with the hostile environment as the very people you want will also have options elsewhere.
It's typical populist thinking. Sounds simple and 'common sense' but on closer look...

@MasakaBuzz

Yes - the dross. The people who come to this country just to take, and not to give. The criminals, and sex offenders that at the moment we either don’t know about or can’t keep out because the E.U. deems free movement must trump all else.

You'll be aware our border force do turn people away?

EU membership means that Britain has access to the Schengen II database, which has details of 250,000 wanted or missing suspects across Europe. The flow of foreign fighters returning from Syria has extended the EU databases tracking their movements.

We have the option of removing people after three months if they cannot support themselves but the UK has never chosen to follow this up. In other EU countries migrants need to register and keep their records updated. The UK hasn't bothered with this.

Maybe it would need a national identity card scheme to make this work. I'd be happy to have one and keep the FOM that benefits us so much.

The criminals, and sex offenders that at the moment we either don’t know about or can’t keep out because the E.U. deems free movement must trump all else.

You do know that we could have restricted this right? Most EU countries expect you to register, have proof of income and no criminal record. UK Gov couldn't be fucked though.

Brexit has made EU nationals feel unwelcome. If they have to go through a process of proving their worth I imagine most will turn their attention to another destination like the US

Indeed. The US is 50 states and still the first economy in the world. If getting a visa to the UK is just as complicated then they won't consider it worthwhile anymore.
I had that choice a very long time ago and practical reasons more than anything else sent me here. Now I don't regret it as it turns out but who knows if I'd been faced with that same choice post brexit...

I've certainly not forgotten Friday. It's a day of mourning for me. I know nothing changes overnight for most of us but I feel so sad that our country is totally fucking itself by doing this.

Friday is pay day and take away night. Well chuffed. Nothing Brexit wise is really happening Friday it’s just another date before more work. Nothing new.

I’ve mostly made my peace with the fact that the Britain that I loved and thought I knew never really existed. On the plus side, I think some more of our friends will also move to the continent like we have. It might not be so rosy for all those who are left behind who can’t leave though which is depressing.

@ IvyTrails

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/14/home-office-policy-deport-eu-rough-sleepers-ruled-unlawful?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

We tried, but were told it was unlawful. I walked around Park Lane in London looking for the monument to Animals in War. I felt very uncomfortable and quite threatened by the number of Romanian rough sleepers.

You can’t kick someone out of the country who has a legal right to be here just because they are homeless. They should be provided with the same assistant as a UK citizen sleeping rough (if there is ever any money put into this service).

I felt very uncomfortable and quite threatened by the number of Romanian rough sleepers

How did they let you know that they were all Romanian?

What did they do to threaten you?