Lawless towns

[worlybear]

WTF is happening in our towns?
I live in a small seaside town in the S.E. of England.
Over the last 2 years the police presence has diminished to practically nil.
From 6 pm in the evening it is unwise and unsafe to walk through the town centre or along the harbour due to a burgeoning and aggressive underclass of "homeless " people/drunks.
They pester for money and are very intimidating.
One person I know when approached said "sorry I've no money on me"-so the guy offered to walk him to a cash point!
Unbelievable!
Every night and I mean EVERY night the drunken brawls screaming and fighting carries on through drinking time until the early hours of the morning.
It's not safe to be out.
People are bedded down in shop fronts, both vacant and in business .
The police seem to shrug their shoulders and turn away ,probably because they have no resources or stomach to keep addressing these issues.
I understand that there is a local,homeless shelter but some people prefer to beg.
I'm sick to death of it and want to see some action to prevent this significant minority of morons from terrorising the town.
Personally I think that an active police presence with permission to use tasers would improve the quality of life for many law-abiding people.
AIBU?

Not referring to named children

And?

letmeinthroughyourwindow

No, I didn't assume that. And I agree with your point of the lack of resources. What I didn't agree with was:

Small surprise that these kids, having learnt that there are no consequences whatsoever for anything, go into the world living by that same code

^ that being the most salient point in relation to the effects of those cutbacks. I just don't think that is the main issue in relation to your points and the breakdown of society/ increase in homeless etc.

I have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

I wrote a list of devastating cuts to the services we can offer in school. Teachers are in despair. I reference an ineffective behaviour policy that sees kids increasingly emboldened. Somehow you level criticism at me. What exactly is your point?

""It’s worrying, but not surprising, to hear a teacher lumping all kids with an EHCP together like that."

What does this mean?

"I just don't think that is the main issue in relation to your points and the breakdown of society/ increase in homeless etc."

I was responding to a pp's post and in particular the point I quoted.

I wish there was a like button for TheMemoryLingers post.

Those of us with a bit more reserve struggle a bit in these emotionally incontinent times. DD recently missed out on a job she was very keen on. She was really well prepared and enthusiastic for the interview. The feedback was that she didn’t seem to “want it enough”, the implication being they expected some X factor type speech.

I have no fucking clue what you're talking about

Yeah, I gathered that.

Don't be a dick.

You've got a lovely manner haven't you.

Just caught up with this thread.
Interesting to see that it's roughly 50/50.
To those of you who don't acknowledge there is a problem, how would you feel if you had to wait to enter your flat whilst a homeless/drunk guy pissed up the door after throwing up on the doorstep?
Or were unable to sleep night after night due to the screaming and fighting in the street below which continues until 4am?
Surely that needs policing?

Not saying that it's not a problem, people like you @worlybear are always going to be a problem, lack empathy, think tasering will stop people being homeless etc.

But wow what a massive drip feed the above is!! I thought it was when you went into town and were walking?

Again WTF is "technically homeless" should you get a hit from a taser for that?

In some towns, if the problem is drug-related it is often caused by the recent increase in county lines dealing emanating from the big cities. Hardcore urban drugs gangs send their new recruits to set up bases in small towns and exploit the vulnerable there.

Where are you living OP?

I think your empathy would take a hit too.
I prefer not to say the exact location where I live.
I am also not going public about when I was made homeless.
It was not a pleasant experience.
Also a number of "homeless " people catch the bus/train into my area to beg.
Hence the speech marks.

I think it's incredibly sad that it has come to this. Incredibly sad that we have a ruling class whose main aim is to keep on funding the rich whilst stamping on the poor. It can feel intimidating to be asked for money in the street. Someone knocked on my car window whilst I was waiting on my dh in a car park in the dark and asked me for some money for food. I just about jumped out of my skin. The poor bloke was half way into my car but I didn't have any money on me at all, so couldn't help him. I did get a bit of a fright, but he was just hoping for a helping hand. Poor man.

@worlybear you sound awful! Wanting people tasered, do you know what that actually involves? Stop exaggerating and drop feeding also, it's not making you sound better at all! Maybe put your efforts as I've said into helping the homeless? I used to volunteer until situations made it not possible for me. Proud to say my son still volunteers for St Mungos, he can tell you some stories about homelessness and the false low figures published. It's always the people that have no empathy that think they figures are unrealistically high, like you with your "homeless" quote.

Also a number of "homeless " people catch the bus/train into my area to beg.

Again, why the speech marks? You're going for full daily mail homeless bingo are you? If you're saying they are pretending to be homeless, at least have the guts to say it.

How very dare they try to get enough money to survive on eh....

@worlybear you sound awful!

Agreed.

@worlybear, you've been there so how do you feel about people saying you should be tased/ you are an underclass because you were homeless?

Seems you need to make peace with the fact you were once homeless rather than trying to distance yourself by being shockingly vile about those that still are. Your stance shows your own discomfort at your own inability to not end up homeless.

Yes you might not have been drunk and unruly but I'd find that more understandable from a homeless person than your view of them.

This is the result of voting Tory. Anyone who thinks it will get better now they have a huge majority is delusional.

What does ‘technically homeless’ mean? I doubt it was surviving on the streets. Another MN snob who has lost touch with reality. Ten years of a tory govt and it’s horrors yet they got voted in again on the strength of racism, you reap what you sow.

So apparently I'm not allowed to object to this behaviour?
Oookay.....
I find the reaction from some of you unbelievable.
Try living in this situation and putting up with it on a daily basis.
As I said in my 2nd post tasering was an over reaction but I still fail to see why I have to accept this behaviour.
Too many bleeding hearts on this post.
And yes there are some who have got homes and choose to beg.
Also I do not read the daily mail!

I think you’re blinded by what you consider not real homeless, but there a huge amount of genuine homeless, with no support whatsoever and this due to huge cuts in services, what do you suggest? just ship them off as long as you can’t see them?
I’ll ask again what does ‘technically’ homeless mean? Were you on the streets? If not stop with your attempt at saying you’ve been in the and boat because if you had you wouldn’t have this abhorrent attitude.

Also if being vile means that I am not willing to support drink and drug habits then I'll stand by my opinion.

As I said in my 2nd post tasering was an over reaction but I still fail to see why I have to accept this behaviour.
Too many bleeding hearts on this post.

Tasering was an over reaction followed by too many bleeding hearts.....

Firstly it was a 6.30pm problem now it's a constant problem...

To even mention tasering was VILE, you would not have said it was an over reaction if all your sad daily mail tory voting mates had agreed! You are "supposedly" a decent human being and actually thought tasering was a good idea, for homeless? Jeez what world do we live in?

Would rather a bleeding heart than no heart, even though you've been there? Was it drunk or drugs that made you "technically" homeless then OP? Also drink and drugs are a reflection of poor mental health and poor support, so don't judge them.

I very much doubt any of them have been offered permanent accommodation especially if they are young single men. They have no right to be housed by the LA under homelessness law (unless there are other factors such as serious health or mental health issues) and there isn't enough social housing to house the people who are entitled to housing also I would take that statement with a pinch of salt.

@spongejack I completely agree with your comments. I stopped conversing with this vile creature, as she is demonstrating no empathy or humility. You will unfortunately not get her to see that her attitude is unacceptable, and now I see that the drip feeding, and changing of her original complaint is starting, (to garner support for herself and her views), I'm thankful that I walked away from this post when I did.