Laurence Fox on Question Time

[SuckingDieselFella]

It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

@malylis

So it wasn't you who said "the pearl clutching about anti Semitism is fake"?

Yes, she did say that. Did you not understand what it meant?

I understood only too well, thanks.

It doesn't surprise me that you would defend it.

To be fair, nothing you say surprised me.

Danny baker was mentioned above - just want to say his stupid tweet was direct reference to a very long-standing part of his show referencing 1920s vaudeville type thing. It didn’t come from nowhere and no matter how stupidly thoughtless I don’t believe for a moment it was a racist act on his part. It was stupid he didn’t think and he was right to apologise.

I remember far worse criticism about Fergie in the eighties when race wasn't an issue."

Nope. The Fergie stuff was bad, (at the end, not so much at the beginning) but it was nowhere near as pervasive and personal and relentless as the stuff against Meghan."

I beg to differ. I remember Fergie was absolutely ridiculed and omg Camilla got even worse than that. I would say all of their treatment is a bit sexist but really dont see the racism. And i do see racism with criticism of Diane Abbot. However, it is the ruthless, raw ambition of MM to be famous at the cost of the British taxpayer which irks people.

@HeronLanyon

Ah, Heron that’s nonsense and you know it.

Hes always been a bit embarassing. His mad outburst as Charles De Gaulle for example. Amazing what family connections can do.

I dont know why or when the definition of racism got conflated with the definition of systematic racism. Thats the problem.

Danny baker was mentioned above - just want to say his stupid tweet was direct reference to a very long-standing part of his show referencing 1920s vaudeville type thing. It didn’t come from nowhere and no matter how stupidly thoughtless I don’t believe for a moment it was a racist act on his part. It was stupid he didn’t think and he was right to apologise.

Absolutely... Yet you risk being called racist yourself for not leaping to the conclusion that he’s a racist, and what’s more, representative of a racist media.

Must say it seems strange that conservatives suddenly find racism boring and accuse people of seeing it everywhere after their witch hunt on the labour party despite it being far worse in their own ranks. It also hasnt been mentioned since the election. I wonder why

Kate got roasted for years in the press.
Mail story from 2010 about Kate Middleton: "SANDRA PARSONS: Wedding or not, it's time Waity Katie grew up..."...

2007 Mail story about how common Kate's family is and how awful her mother is:
""Kate's background was always a bit of a laughing point among William's friends. They openly mocked her mother's air-stewardess credentials, greeting Kate with a whispered chorus of "Doors to manual".

A few years ago the whole Middleton family regularly got hate in the press:
"Why Kate Middleton's very pushy siblings are worrying courtiers | Pippa middleton ...".

In 2008, kate was being branded lazy with no ambition in the press:
"Kate Middleton, once cruelly dubbed “Waity Katie” by the British media might now be called “Lazy Katie” – a reference to the fact that she recently quit her job in order to “prepare for her future life,” according to palace officials."

MM's slagging off is not racist. Its always gone on, whatever colour you are.

That ridiculous racist tweet by Danny baker and the "exotic dna " comment by rachel johnson are the only 2 mainstream vaguely racist comments ive seen in 2 years, yet they are repeated over and over as the tip of the racist iceberg. I have not seen ANY other racism in the mainstream press or media.

@HeronLanyon

Why do you think that’s nonsense? Danny Baker was stupid for not recognising the impact of what he posted, but to have deliberately posted it with the vile racist intentions attributed to him (ie to dehumanise a baby by saying his black heritage put him on a par with a monkey) would have been a literally insane act of career suicide.

It seems that the woke brigade are very keen for people of colour to celebrate and honour their non-white identity.... But if a white British person wishes did the same, they’d be castigated as a racist. If I was black I’d be applauded by the woke brigade for saying “I’m a proud to be a black woman”. If a white person said the same about being white, they would be shouted down as racist. Is it any wonder that there’s a backlash!

I accept people of colour will be subjected to racist discrimination in a way white people
won’t be, and that we need to work to end it, but demeaning traditional British culture by seeking to make people ashamed of it only risks stoking racism!

Neither Kate nor Fergie got such vitriol about being pushy or not knowing their place, which has huge roots in racism.

It isn't overt which is the problem, also MM gets negative press for doing exactly the same things as other royals, who didn't get the same, you must question why.

The Danny Baker thing? I don't believe he intended it to be racist, but it was.

I don't think the poor white working class girls in Manchester who were the victims of the latest grooming gang to be in the news (Mumsnet has been strangely quiet on this subject...) and who were horribly abused, raped and used as slaves would consider themselves beneficiaries of "white privilege". In fact, it seems their ethnicity worked completely against them, both in terms of who their abusers chose to target and then the massive cover up of their suffering by the police, all in the name of tolerance.

Indeed.
The victims in other similar court cases gave evidence that they had been racially targeted and racially abused while the crimes agaisnt them were being committed.
Victims of these gangs have also been murdered, in Blackpool and other towns. A victims family was murderd by a gang member in a house fire, I think in Telford?,
People are dying yet the news and attention is on a privileged celebrity actress multi millionaire, who is, or was, also a high ranking member of the aristocracy.
The world is upside down

How many times does the concept of privilege need explaining? It doesn't mean that you aren't negatively effected in other ways.

They were negatively affected as a direct result of being white.

Neither Kate nor Fergie got such vitriol about being pushy or not knowing their place, which has huge roots in racism.

Princess Michael of Kent has had a lot of shit sent her way by the press over the years. She's far from being the nicest royal, but even so. For years she was "Princess Pushy" and she's not black so pushy isn't about racism. The press has always "gone after" any woman marrying into the Firm. Sexism, yes.

How many times does the concept of privilege need explaining? It doesn't mean that you aren't negatively effected in other ways.

Because the gangs evaded prosecution by the authorities for so long, because the police were scared of being accused of being racist, could it be argued that the gangs had BAME Privilege?

"05malylis

Neither Kate nor Fergie got such vitriol about being pushy or not knowing their place, which has huge roots in racism.

It isn't overt which is the problem, also MM gets negative press for doing exactly the same things as other royals, who didn't get the same, you must question why".

Wrong. There were more stories about Kate's lowly family background and not fitting in than Meghan's. Kate's mothers North East common roots, her council house background, her chavvy drug taking uncle, how her mother was a scheming, pushy, common, ex-air hostess.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-448817/Was-Kates-mum-pushy-royals.html

I think he actually has a point, but that point has been completely undermined by the fact he is such an unforgivable bellend.

Pretty much every senior, female royal has been victimised and pilloried by the gutter press.

Diana's MH issues, Sarah Ferguson's weight (not to mention hair colour), Kate M's 'aspirational' family...

I'm not condoning it, but why does MM warrant special treatment?

Carole Middleton got savaged in the press in the last 15 years, whereas Doria, Meghans mother has received pretty much 100% respectful coverage.
Carole was "pushy, common, scheming, lower class" you name it.