Laurence Fox on Question Time

[SuckingDieselFella]

It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

Well, I may be flamed for saying this, but it's a pretty small number of instances, isn't it?

Of overt racism. My point is and continues to be the degree to which racism is playing covertly in the holding of MM to different standards to everyone else.

@Lifecraft
"No, I'm just explaining to you what white privilege actually means. If you don't want to hear, or understand it, that's fine. Remain uneducated. It's no skin off my nose."

Thanks for the sermon but I've no interest in hate-filled guff. You've just said that if you encountered two homeless people with terminal cancer, what you would see first and foremost is their skin colour. You actually think that anyone suffering deprivation is still privileged because of the colour of their skin? Do you have a brain in your head or have you just decided not to use it?

This is the kind of rhetoric that leads to racial hatred, it gives fuel to the far right. I wouldn't expect you to be capable of working that out. Poor white people who are suffering from disadvantage aren't privileged in any way. Tell them this and they will simply turn away from you. This is why we have Brexit and why so many working class people voted Conservative for the first time in their lives. And the far left love it. The more people turn against them, the more they can cry "racist" and "white privilege". This is the only intellectual activity they are capable of. What has happened to socialists that they no longer represent the working class? They've been taken over by the middle class woke - privileged white people who tell the working classes and ethnic minorities what to think.

@Sagradafamiliar
"Dozens and dozens of entire threads just on here, have been pulled because they were full of racism directed at Meghan. Why deny it?"

What are you talking about? I haven't made any reference to threads about Megan Markle. I haven't seen them so I can't say if they were racist or not.

Lifecraft

Bollocks. All the recent attacks on white Jews in the USA have been by POC. They were specifically targetted because they were white Jews. Many of them were targetted by the "Black Hebrew Israelites" a group of black supremacists who specifically target white Jews because they are white and Jewish.

Once again, there has been very little in the mainstream media about these multiple violent attacks (far less than the mass reporting re the Royal Family) because attacks on Jews are not seen as important because they don't fit into the victim narrative, being white and Jewish.

I said I thought it might be. It's hard to say anything as a white person. I'm not assuming, no of course not. I know what it's like being a woman facing misogynism growing up from a horrible misogynistic F, who abused me. But I know that doesn't qualify me to understand what it's like for the CA women whose stories I read and type up in my work.

I said earlier that I faced prejudice growing up having a Czech father who people accused of being a Russian spy. (It was during the Cold War.) My surname led to me being bullied at school.

But I can hide all that now, as I'm white. I realise that that's a significant advantage.

I apologise if it appears that I'm making assumptions. As I said, it's like supposing that I know what my DDs feel about being adopted. Because whatever I went through as a child, I know my roots.

I wasn't addressing you, OP. I was answering the PP who said MM only gets a small amount of racist abuse.

I don't need you to agree lol. It's a fact that all those threads have been pulled for that exact reason. What you say about it is irrelevant.

Nice twisting of Lifecraft's post btw. Re read the last line of it.

"Megan Markle has had an easy ride compared with any other woman who has married into the royal family"

Absurd claim

All women who marry a well-known member of the RF get pilloried
One of many reasons for abolishing the monarchy completely

BUT the MM hatefest - to the extent of having so many MN hate threads on MN - is unique .... so far

Some of it is racism;
some is snobbery about a divorced actress;
some is because she's not a Stepford Royal wife;
some is because Americans seem to feel less apologetic about flaunting their wealth
some is because she is viewed as "liberal" and most monarchists are small or large "c" conservatives
Some of it is Republicans taking advantage of a chink in the RF wall

Some of it is whipped up by a few media oddbods like Piers Morgan, who had one drink with her and was then dropped
Meeting him once presumably exceeded MM's lifetime tolerance of PMery, but he is 100% vicious when famous women refuse to see him again.

Any white divorced US actress marrying Harry could have suffered most of what MM suffers - except the bit that is due to racism

@LaurieMarlow
"Nobody apart from the woke police on twitter thought the word "uppity" was racist.

Well that’s bollocks and a quick google will tell you why."

The vast majority of people don't have time to comb twitter and google for nuance in order to be offended.

@SuckingDieselFella when Boris wins in 2034 the penny may drop.

Sadly, we’re sliding towards a world where the darlings of the left can’t differentiate Paul Embery from Paul Joseph Watsons simply because they’re both white and they both strongly support Brexit.

The discussion around identity politics is going to get far more toxic before it gets better.

@BigChocFrenzy
""Megan Markle has had an easy ride compared with any other woman who has married into the royal family""

She's had a very easy ride bearing in mind her interview with Tom Bradby.

How dare she say that nobody has asked how she is? She's married to one of the richest men in the world and has nothing to do all day except charity.

In the midst of extreme poverty, deprivation, violence and a horrific rape culture, why would anyone complain that nobody had asked how she is? What kind of supreme arrogance would that take? There is nothing to defend here.

The vast majority of people don't have time to comb twitter and google for nuance in order to be offended.

I find it very hard to believe that the high profile media figure who used it didn’t understand the full nuance of the term.

It’s a goddamn awful word anyway.

@Sagradafamiliar
"I wasn't addressing you, OP. I was answering the PP who said MM only gets a small amount of racist abuse.

I don't need you to agree lol. It's a fact that all those threads have been pulled for that exact reason. What you say about it is irrelevant.

Nice twisting of Lifecraft's post btw. Re read the last line of it."

Yes, I see lol. You are always right lol. I shall not question you again lol.

"All the recent attacks on white Jews in the USA have been by POC. "

Nonsense
Most far right white supremacists are anti-semitic and they continue to carry out most anti-semitic attacks
They have marches protesting about "Jews replacing us"
They have also carried out many terror attacks on black churches

The Pittsburgh synagogue was the worst attack on Jews in US history, killing 11 people - carried out by a far right white man who posted antisemitic hate rants

https://www.timesofisrael.com/one-year-commemoration-of-pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-to-be-marked-worldwide/

Ah so now you are denying that use of language that has racist connotations is racist? 🤣🤣🤣

The whole rise of the right wing in the last decade has been about identity politics, as I said its ok for one group (who are in fact a majority) but not for anyone else.

"She's had a very easy ride bearing in mind her interview with Tom Bradby."

Rubbish

The RF have often been very insensitive to anything but themselves
She fits right in, in that respect

e.g. Diana visited a hospice, met the terminally ill - and was crying there about her bulimia
She got astonishly little criticism for that and it blew over very quickly

We should get rid of the lot of them - and it looks more feasible now

The hate directed against MM and Harry shows that public liking for RF members is very fickle
Fawning can so easily turn to hate
William must be worried; he's decades to get through safely

@SuckingDieselFella Poor white people who are suffering from disadvantage aren't privileged in any way.

Yes they are. With all the problems they face, at least they don't have to worry about their lives being made any worse because of the colour of their skin. Poor black people who are suffering from disadvantage don't have that benefit.

And that's what white privilege is.

If understanding that is beyond your grasp, you really are a bit dense.

@LaurieMarlow

"I find it very hard to believe that the high profile media figure who used it didn’t understand the full nuance of the term."

Ahhh, it all makes sense now! I can totally imagine someone combing nineteenth century dictionaries for a word to insult Megan Markle with. I can really see that happening. And if that someone is not particularly literary and has a very busy career, I guess they just had to find the time. How long do you think he spent trying to find the u-word? Hours? Days? And it had to have that secret nuance, didn't it? To people with jobs and lives who don't live on woke twitter it would just be a normal word. But woke twitter rumbled him and sent a baying mob to his door. Yes it definitely happened that way. I can see it now. Thanks so much for enlightening us.

@Lifecraft
"Yes they are. With all the problems they face, at least they don't have to worry about their lives being made any worse because of the colour of their skin. Poor black people who are suffering from disadvantage don't have that benefit.

And that's what white privilege is.

If understanding that is beyond your grasp, you really are a bit dense."

Thanks for the ad hominem. You're obviously used to a very high standard of discourse.

Let me guess, you're white and middle class? And you're taking offence on behalf of others?

No idea how I worked that out. I guess I must be psychic or something.

Stop being disingenuous OP.

If you really think that someone who is paid to use words to convey a message didn’t understand the connotations of that word then you are naive at best.

BigChoc - some of the Royal family’s possessions and properties belong to the state and some to the Queen and other members.
If the monarchy were abolished would you propose that their own properties were confiscated or would they be allowed to keep them?

Lifecraft is life one big game of Top Trumps for you, eyeballing everyone and placing them in a hierachy of victimhood?

@malylis

"Ah so now you are denying that use of language that has racist connotations is racist? 🤣🤣🤣

The whole rise of the right wing in the last decade has been about identity politics, as I said its ok for one group (who are in fact a majority) but not for anyone else."

Logic may not be your strong point. A word isn't racist just because you and woke twitter says it is. You need to evidence this and you haven't done so. Shouting "racist" at anybody who disagrees with you is idiotic and it decreases the likelihood of genuine racism being taken seriously. But the woke don't care about genuine racism. They only care about being right.

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude

You think the scenario I described actually took place?

If so, I'm sorry for you.

The extent of the racism on here is terrifying

And yet there have been just three deletions out of 437 posts - and this on a forum which (quite rightly) removes even the slighest suggestion of racism