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DD says she hates me

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Alte · 16/01/2020 16:30

My DD recently turned 15. For the last 3-4 years she’s been saying she hates me and asking why I can’t be like her friends parents (same with DH). Her 12yo sister started saying it recently as well. The only reasons we can get out of them are that we’re too posh, too strict and too old. We’re in our late 40s, and we’re not really posh but compared to their friends we would be. I wouldn’t say we’re strict, we just don’t allow piercings etc and we push them to do well in school. DD1 told us this morning that we gave her anxiety and depression by putting too much pressure on her, but we just want her to do well in school. AIBU to wonder what I’ve done wrong? And does anyone know what I can do?

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 16/01/2020 18:28

What will you do if she decides to get her nose pierced at 16 when she doesn't need your permission?

rainbowunicorn · 16/01/2020 18:38

It really dosen't matter if you think it looks stupid, your daughter likes it and she should be able to choose her style and whether she wants to have her nose pierced. Please listen to her when she tells you that she is suffering with anxiety and depression and that you are the cause of it. You won't be able to control her forever and if you continue the way you are she may well want nothing to do with you.

Straycatstrut · 16/01/2020 18:39

OP I wish my parents had been stricter, especially with my schooling. They were way too "lax and chill."

I failed all but 1 of my GCSEs. I was such a mess. It's like they didn't care if I did well or not. Literally. I went off the rails after that and felt like no one cared and my life was over.

My friend had really strict parents. Homework was done and checked, no piercings, ridiculous curfews. Strict house rules on manners and politeness. Tidiness. I hated being at her house, it felt like everyone walked on egg shells!

She passed all her exams with flying colours, straight to uni - has a lovely house now, car, mortgage, holidays twice a year. She's uber successful. I don't know if THAT played a part but I know that I'm going to be a lot more strict when it comes to my own DCs schooling and important exam years. Strict but fair, I hope.

Choice4567 · 16/01/2020 18:39

Yes but by 'expect them to get a*-b' do you mean you help and support her, or just keep telling her this?

NotExactlyHappyToHelp · 16/01/2020 18:39

You might think a second lobe piercing looks stupid but that’s a pretty stupid reason to disallow it.

My child has had a great many hairstyles/outfits that I think look crackers but I keep my mouth firmly shut because if he’s happy with it then that’s all that matters.

Shockers · 16/01/2020 18:49

If you told someone that something really mattered to you and they replied that because they don’t feel the same way, your feelings are largely irrelevant, how would you feel about that person? Would you like them? Love them? Respect them?

Children and young adults deserve to be listened to, even if you don’t always agree with what they’re saying. Could you pick your battles and agree with at least one or two of the things she asks for? Freedom with a lift home from mum? Ears pierced?

You’ll have a better relationship when she feels like her voice matters too.

Craftycorvid · 16/01/2020 18:49

katseyes are we secretly related? My DM did similar when I spent a weekend with my bf. We were grown-ass adults at the time!

Gosh, but adolescence can be grim: for children and parents alike. I’ve never raised any teens, but my two-pennorth from my own adolescence would be:

Nothing you can do about being older than the perceived ‘norm’ or ‘posh’. But what’s the real issue in your kids’ saying this? Are they getting bullied due to perceived differences between them/their family and that of their peers? Is there maybe a problematic generation gap? That’s not always an age thing, but can be an attitude thing. My parents carried the attitudes of their own childhoods and struggled to accept it was different for my generation. (See my first remarks!). I’m afraid the result is that to this day my DM only gets very brief highlights of my life. She’s fine with that, I feel a loss.

Self-expression. Horror was expressed at ear piercing when I was considerably older than 15. I now have other piercings (and a tattoo). You might be greeting some hard core reaction as soon as your children are 18. Ok, facial piercings may not be allowed by their school, but could you open a conversation about when your children might be able to make that decision? Just calling it ‘stupid’ is fine as your opinion but will leave your kids feeling unheard.

Academic progress: it must be galling seeing them with potential and not appearing to have the focus to achieve it. They are not adults. Their brains are still developing. It’s hard work getting through the day at 12 and 15. That doesn’t mean ignore their progress, but don’t make it clear only A* will do.

When they say they hate you, that must hurt like hell. Adolescent brains don’t do the empathy thing too well either. It’s ok to tell them it hurts you when you hear they gate you. Is there a time of day or something you all like doing together? You might use it as a time to try and hear their point of view - you don’t have to agree and you don’t have to be a pushover either.

katseyes7 · 16/01/2020 18:54

CraftyCorvid l think our mothers may have been! Mine also told me that my cousin and her boyfriend were going away with another couple, and my cousin was sharing with the girl, and her boyfriend with the other lad. lt was utter bollocks. She lied to try to 'shame' me into not going.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 16/01/2020 19:04

I agree with @Oliversmumsarmy and some other posters: pick your battles.

DD (14) had her ears pierced at 10 as all her friends got it done around that age. She then wanted a second piercing at 13- I wasn't keen, but as I did my own second piercing at 15 Grin I thought it was better to get it professionally done.

She's now got four piercings in each ear...she and her friend did the other ones. Shock I'm not ecstatic about it, but she uses proper solution on them and they haven't got infected, so what's done is done.

She's also said that she wants a tattoo and I replied that I'm not giving my permission, but when she's 18, she can do what she wants with her body. My only advice is not to get facial tattoos or anything that can't be covered. She was quite disappointed in my cool reaction and admitted she was hoping to shock me! I think teens sometimes enjoy winding us up. Grin

Anyway, I wouldn't get too stressed about piercings and smaller stuff. The anxiety and depression are a different matter. Definitely talk to her about it and find out what's making her so unhappy (or whether she was just saying it for effect, that can definitely happen).

Good luck with everything, having teenagers is challenging and often exhausting. Flowers

Livelovebehappy · 16/01/2020 19:15

My dd was similar, and I started suffering with anxiety as I felt everything was a constant long drawn out battle. When I visited the GP with anxiety we discussed the situation with my dd and she said to pick my battles and not to sweat the small stuff. So I let her have her ears pierced, let her go to parties as long as she checked in with me so I knew she was safe, appreciated that at certain times of the month her hormones made her rant sometimes and I kept calm. I gave her more responsibility and trust that she was a decent person and would for the most part make sensible decisions for herself. It worked really well. She confided in me more and even asked for my advice occasionally. She’s grown up to be a lovely girl, with decent morals and has a great job after studying hard. So maybe the answer is to just cut your dd a bit of slack sometimes.

adaline · 16/01/2020 19:24

Why does it matter whether you think it looks stupid or not - it's not your body!

Oliversmumsarmy · 16/01/2020 19:36

Does it really matter if your dd doesn’t actually get all A*-Bs

Both Dd scraped through a few GCSEs

4 years on she has her own flat (tiny 1 bed miles away that she is slowly doing up)

She has her own business, she works probably 4 days per week for several places and has a minimum hourly rate of £18 per hour.

She has started getting £600 per day with her business.

If she had been academically bright enough to get A*-Bs in her GCSEs she would probably be at university now with a huge debt.

Dd is confident and I do believe confidence can in a lot of cases get you further than all the pushing to get academic qualifications

Dd does jobs that usually need a degree but ultimately her confidence is what gets her the jobs

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 16/01/2020 19:42

Just backing up a bit what @Oliversmumsarmy is saying.

My DP didn't end up with GCSE's, I had C-D's because I spent most of my childhood in hospital and both of us have really high paying jobs and neither of us have been to uni.

My brothers and sister on the other hand have all been to uni, had amazing GCSE results, none have a job in what they studied and are on a lot less than DP and I.

Amazing GCSE's don't guarantee anything.

MoonbeamsAndCaterpillars · 16/01/2020 19:44

If it helps, my sister still resents our parents for not being strict enough!

She is a (highly educated) twit at times though.

Serin · 16/01/2020 19:45

I would listen seriously if she is telling you that she is anxious and depressed.
What use are A and B grades if your mental health means you cant hold down a job?

Quartz2208 · 16/01/2020 19:50

You are pushing too hard. Your expectations are out of whack in that you hold too much in grades rather than her as a person

The way we post and what we post reveals more than we would like sometimes and yours reveals why your DDs are struggling with your expectations

Pompei36 · 16/01/2020 20:21

She wants a nose piercing or second lobe piercings but I think they look stupid so I’ve said no. -here’s your problem, why don’t you compromise a little? say no to nose but ok for seconds? how is a second piercing going to affect her? you don’t like it but is not about you , is it?
You need to pick your battles, parenting teenagers is blooming hard but you need to back off a little , she’s not exactly a baby and your attitude will push her away. Try to listen to your DD a bit more . You can push as much as you want , if your attitude really affects her you won’t be seeing those A’s either way .

pointythings · 16/01/2020 20:22

'I think it looks stupid' isn't a valid reason to not allow something as minor as a second lobe piercing (I have two in each ear. I am 51, I do not look stupid Hmm).

And when you say 'I expect' that kind of sets alarm bells ringing in my head. You can expect all you want - but if your DDs do not perceive you as supportive and encouraging, they will not achieve their potential. They will not feel loved and valued.

Your DD1 is in Yr10 - at this stage, as a parent, you have to start standing back and letting them take responsibility for their own learning. If you push and shove and impose stress, you will be hindering them.

And no, grades aren't everything. Start loving more and judging less.

DollyDaydreamss · 16/01/2020 20:25

I'd say yes to a small second lobe piercing at 15. I'd say no to a nose piercing

And yes you're right to push her to do well. But this is open to interpretation

Oliversmumsarmy · 16/01/2020 20:33

A friend I had when I was at school had parents who pushed her and her brother.

Up at 5.30am every morning to do an hours piano and an hours violin practice.

Extra work over the homework that was given.

The parents had certain expectations.

My friends brother packed his bags and took his passport and walked out of his first A level exam and caught a plane to Thailand He got a job playing piano in a bar.

I don’t think he ever came home.

He didn’t want to go to university but it wasn’t an option if he had stayed.

ooooohbetty · 16/01/2020 20:45

Stay strong OP. It doesn't matter if she's saying she hates you if you're doing a good job at parenting and it sounds to me like you are. My daughter has told me she thought I was too strict when she was a teenager but now she's an adult she says she understands why and is parenting in the same way.

Footiefan2019 · 16/01/2020 20:51

You want her to get A*-B because she can if she tries ? I could probably have been a professional athlete or a doctor I’ve I’d ‘tried’... a lot of people could do a lot of things if they try hard enough (read as: have unlimited parental input, monetary input and are never allowed to be distracted from the goal) ... it doesn’t mean that they should Put their mental health wellbeing and happiness last in order to achieve that goal. Yes I’m sure your dd is clever, lots of dcs are, but if it’s like pulling teeth to get her achieving those grades you have to ask yourself does it mean anything to her ? What she SHE want to do as a career? What does she see herself as ? What are her skills apart from just getting grades and ‘succeeding’? Is she a great sibling, does she cook a mean lasagne, is she caring and thoughtful, is she good at a hobby, is she a good role model to younger kids? Any of these things you can highlight and focus on and boost her self esteem.

ColaFreezePop · 16/01/2020 20:56

OP let me tell you a secret with 2nd and 3rd ear piercings - because they are higher up on the ear they close up quickly. Nose piercings also close up quickly .

In addition when you go for job interviews or get a job in certain professions you don't wear the extra ear piercings or nose piercing.

It is actually better to let your kids go through their crazy piercings and hair phrase (if allowed at school ) now as they are more likely to not do it as adults once they leave university.

In regards to her schooling she needs to try her best regardless of the grade and you need to make it very clear that her best is good enough for you. Kids can easily put their own pressure on themselves. In my case with a strict mother my pressure was to ensure I could leave home, go to university 200 miles and not come back.

Footiefan2019 · 16/01/2020 21:05

My best friend is a lawyer with three piercings in each ear, several tattoos and pastel pink hair. There’s no need to police your kids body so much really

KellyHall · 16/01/2020 22:43

Wow. Is this how your parents treated you? If you told them your mental health was being affected by their approach, what would they have done?

My brothers and I all bunked off school, got piercings, generally lived our lives having fun at the expense of all else, left school with very little but found education later on and now have very successful careers.

If your dc are clever enough to achieve such grades, maybe you should trust them to be able to make choices about things like an extra hole in their ear.

Maybe by posh, they actually mean stuck-up, snobbish and that you look down on anything which doesn't conform exactly to your ideals.