Breeder refusing to give me puppy or my money back

[Ownerofsmallpeople]

I’m not sure if I’m being u or where I stand on this.
DH and I have decided to get a puppy early feb. We have a 2 year old and another on the way but not due til summer. We have wanted a dog for ages and decided now is the best time as my DC has just started full time nursery, I’m not in work so I have plenty of time during the day to train and spend time with the puppy. For a few weeks after I give birth DH will be taking over walks but I will still be doing the training during the day and newborn will be joining me on school runs etc so my routine doesn’t change really. I’ve raised puppies before so I know what it entails and also obviously had a newborn before so I don’t see any great issues.
We went to view some puppies a couple of weeks ago with DC, chose a specific puppy, breeder was happy discussing diet and training etc and then asked for a deposit. I paid the deposit via bank transfer the next morning. She has now text me last night and said she had one of her friends (who is also friends with me via Facebook) to have a look at my Facebook profile and show her what was on it and she has seen that I’m pregnant and now is telling me I’m “deceitful” and she “can’t trust me with her puppy”. I didn’t think it was a huge deal and I was required to tell her I was pregnant? Obviously the puppy is going to a good home with us so I don’t see an issue. I completely understand wanting your puppies to go to a good home that will look after them but I wouldn’t have thought having a baby 6 months after purchasing a puppy was a big deal.
The conversation went on for about 20 minutes of her basically patronising me and saying that in 6 months I would be calling her to take the dog back. I eventually said to her to either tell me she’s happy for the puppy to come to us or she’s not happy for the puppy to come to us, she replied “I’ll speak to my partner and decide”. I have not heard from her yet so I text her again saying she needs to let me know or send me my money back, she has read the message and ignored it.
Am I in the wrong? What would you do?

I’m not so sure about that in terms of breeding frequency, Wolfie, though I tend to agree with you on most other things.

Seasons every 8mo-1yr and breeding from each bitch every other year, giving her at least every other season ‘off’ to recover (as a minimum) is fine providing the pregnancy, whelping and recovery was straightforward. Max of three litters per bitch for my liking (fewer if CS). I know KC says can be max 4 litters from a bitch aged between 12mo and 8yrs but I’m and from discussions with lots of breeders, the 4th litter tends to be more high risk (stillbirths or whelping issues) and so lots of responsible, ethical but full time, professional breeders of high quality dogs choose to stop at three max per bitch. These breeders fully health tested their dogs, sought only the best sites for their litters (both in terms of health and temperament compatibility), kept their retired bitches, dogs were well socialised and kept in the home. They also offered lifetime support to new owners.

These were not thoughtless backyard breeders, mating their untested pet with their mate’s untested dog; illegal, inhumane mills; or ‘churn ‘em out and forget ‘em’ licensed commercial breeders with barns and barns of dogs who never see the inside of a house but conditions pass all of the council requirements.

Seasons every 6 months. No dog should have more than three litters max. It’s not hard maths. Either too many litters per bitch or too many bitches to provide proper care and attention.

She must give you your money back. Could you report her for theft?

@GabsAlot

that wont stop dog fighting and puppy farms

Nope, but not contributing to it helps.

@Tunnocks34, what a lovely person you are.

And why are people so willing to pay ridiculous amounts for a mongrel just because someone has hyphenated their breeds?

She must give you your money back. Could you report her for theft?

No-one has stolen anything. Ant no point has the breeder actually refused to refund any money - the OP exaggerated/lied in her thread title.

In fact she has agreed a refund - it may well have happened already but the OP hasn’t been back on to update.

Just caught up...

French bulldog x chihuahua and the chi is the bitch!!!!!!!

She's going to be lucky to have any puppies or even a bitch after this - if this WAS an accidental mating, anyone with half a clue would have given the bitch a mismate jab, kept a close eye on her and been ready to spay to abort should she still be pregnant.

There is EVERY likelyhood she's going to carry just one or two HUGE puppies and attempting to whelp them will kill her and the puppies.

I do hope the idiot who allowed this to happen is aware and has her vet on standby for emergency c-section.

OP you have swerved a massive walking vet bill here should any live puppies actually have been produced - get your deposit back ASAP before the bitches owner is hit with a huge vet bill and suddenly can't afford to pay you back!

Hope you got your money back op 💐

She should give you your money back and I agree a baby and puppy isn't a great idea. Please wait until your children are older. I once looked after my dads dog when my son was a baby and had a toddler it was a nightmare and she was a good well behaved dog.

Sorry for the silence! I have looked on her Facebook after reading your comments about it not being right that the chihuahua was the bitch and actually it was the other way round, the frenchie is the mum. She had her locked up when i visited so I didn’t see.

Anyway - I don’t think I’m getting the money back.
Yesterday morning she said she would do it that day when she had time. I messaged her last night to ask if she managed to do the transfer and she said not yet but she couldn’t do it on her phone or over the phone so she would go into the bank today - still nothing. I don’t want to seem annoying to keep messaging her but something seems off to me.

Tbh, doesn’t matter who the mum is ,they’re both breeds that have lots of problems and you’re well out of it.

Also after reading through your comments I have now realised that it was a v stupid idea to buy a cross off of a “back street” breeder. I guess I thought that she was genuine as she seemed to have a lot of knowledge about diets and exercise and illnesses etc. I don’t know much about cross breeds as I’ve always had pedigree KC labradors. And come to think of it I only paid £800 for my last puppy who sadly died aged 13 last year.

To be honest I am thinking about sending her a message to say don’t worry about the transfer as DH and I will pop round for the cash - gives her warning to draw it out rather than bother with excuses that her online banking isn’t working or whatever she will come up with next

I have looked on her Facebook after reading your comments about it not being right that the chihuahua was the bitch and actually it was the other way round, the frenchie is the mum. She had her locked up when i visited so I didn’t see.

Never, ever buy a puppy from a breeder if they refuse to show you the mother. Never.

@VickyEadieofThigh noted. She said it was because the mum was over excited and my toddler was coming but now I think of it I think I’ve been a bit thick. I think I will speak to DH and say we’ll wait to get a puppy and in the mean time save a bit and do some proper research for a KC puppy.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of a Bullchu or Frenchhua or whatever it is, your problem now is the lack of refund.

Don't write that money off. I suspect she's spent it and is now delaying you. Keep on at her, mentioning small claims court as previously suggested. She's local so she can't hide from you. Actually claiming through the small claims isn't difficult or expensive if need be. Gather proof- receipt, messages or any agreement in writing.
It's a lot of money to lose for a family on a budget like yours.

Good luck with the new baby. I'm not very experienced with dogs but there are some valid arguments on here for delaying getting a pup so worth reconsidering?

Exactly what did you see when you went to this woman's house?

You didnt see the mother?
You knew the breeds that had been crossed
Didnt bother to look up potential health issues, of either breed? Or the the cross
You are on a low income and were going to take on a walking money eater?

All without research? Thata not responsible or experienced

@SmileyClare that’s what I think too, that she no longer has the money. But then if she didn’t have the deposit to give back she shouldn’t have become Sherlock Holmes and stalked me then decided not to give me the puppy.
I’m glad she didn’t give me the puppy now but I just want my money back
I’m going to message her at 4 and say she was quick to ask for the deposit and she can’t just hold onto it.

Sorry cross post with your update! That all sounds very sensible. No point beating yourself up. Some really experienced dog handlers on here to help you with the whole obtaining a puppy situation in the future.

Gah I cross posted again Sounds like you'll have to chase your deposit.. I wonder if she's taken deposits from others and refused the puppy for whatever reason.

We have recently rescued a 17 month old pup with SN speaking at length to the fosterer I was surprised that the rescue had researched through my fb. They clearly realised me and DP are sad old buggers who do not party every night have an empty nest and do not plaster our wall with 4 a year foreign holidays 😎 seriously though prospective owners can lie sometimes ( I'm not referring to you op) and with the breed I was offering to regime they are very desirable. Pups and babies are hard work when mixed and when you've had little sleep it can be a recipe for disaster that's why most rescues say no under 5s. A bank transfer is never a good way to pay (I've had a scammer on a selling site and because I did BT the bank would not refund.

I don’t want to seem annoying to keep messaging her but something seems off to me

To hell with that - I'd be annoying her plenty to get my money back. Good idea to tell her you/Dh can call for the cash and give her a receipt, if a (simple) transfer is causing her so much bother.

I messaged her asking what time she was sending the money as yesterday she told me it would be afternoon - she replied I should “get off my high fucking horse and be patient as deposits are normally non refundable and you’re lucky you’re even getting it back” and that I will get it when she has time. My DH is now fuming and says he’s going to personally get it from her later.

I think deposits are non refundable if the buyer changes their mind.