Breeder refusing to give me puppy or my money back

[Ownerofsmallpeople]

I’m not sure if I’m being u or where I stand on this.
DH and I have decided to get a puppy early feb. We have a 2 year old and another on the way but not due til summer. We have wanted a dog for ages and decided now is the best time as my DC has just started full time nursery, I’m not in work so I have plenty of time during the day to train and spend time with the puppy. For a few weeks after I give birth DH will be taking over walks but I will still be doing the training during the day and newborn will be joining me on school runs etc so my routine doesn’t change really. I’ve raised puppies before so I know what it entails and also obviously had a newborn before so I don’t see any great issues.
We went to view some puppies a couple of weeks ago with DC, chose a specific puppy, breeder was happy discussing diet and training etc and then asked for a deposit. I paid the deposit via bank transfer the next morning. She has now text me last night and said she had one of her friends (who is also friends with me via Facebook) to have a look at my Facebook profile and show her what was on it and she has seen that I’m pregnant and now is telling me I’m “deceitful” and she “can’t trust me with her puppy”. I didn’t think it was a huge deal and I was required to tell her I was pregnant? Obviously the puppy is going to a good home with us so I don’t see an issue. I completely understand wanting your puppies to go to a good home that will look after them but I wouldn’t have thought having a baby 6 months after purchasing a puppy was a big deal.
The conversation went on for about 20 minutes of her basically patronising me and saying that in 6 months I would be calling her to take the dog back. I eventually said to her to either tell me she’s happy for the puppy to come to us or she’s not happy for the puppy to come to us, she replied “I’ll speak to my partner and decide”. I have not heard from her yet so I text her again saying she needs to let me know or send me my money back, she has read the message and ignored it.
Am I in the wrong? What would you do?

We were pregnant within a month of deciding to hand rear her

Sorry but I had to read that 3 times- I was thinking who's pregnant? The dog? you? you and the dog?...Then I thought for a moment how has hand rearing a dog got you pregnant!

I'm tired...

F1 cockerpoos are a huge gamble.

Have no idea what you are going to get.

And big money.

@bluebluezoo

Health checked and health tested are 2 different things

Health checked and health tested are 2 different things

This

Yes i meant health tested.

What tests? My breed needs heart testing before breeding. Pups must be liver shunt tested before going to new homes.

bluezoo that’s my fault, and my lack on punctuation. Can I blame maternity leave?

The poor dogs. That wasn't accidental breeding. It's someone trying to make a few quid on the back of the trend for 'designer dogs'.

I believe the man who originally deliberately bred a labradoodle for someone with health issues has done an interview saying he totally regrets what his decision has become because it was never intended to be a trend.

For what it's worth OP, someone selling dogs on social media probably isn't the way to buy a dog. The fact you've done that and think it's no big deal adding a puppy to a toddler and newborn suggests you're probably not that responsible as a dog owner.

OP knows it wasnr an accidentally breeding.

She wanted to buy a designer dog and this was a cheaper way of doing it. Anyone who knows dogs, knows this is a bad idea

But then I wonder if the dog even exists

The woman is being unreasonable. While a puppy is a bit harder than a newborn, it's not that hard. There is no reason why you couldn't handle both. If she doesn't want you to have it, she should give you the deposit back. I think she is being dishonest. Keep phoning and demand it back. If she refuses, call the police. Do you have a receipt?

I wasn’t sure if I had been scammed.

I think we're the ones being scammed

@Wolfiefan hips and a specific genetic condition for one of the breeds.

2 puppy’s from one litter went to 2 family members then 2 years later one of them got another puppy from different mum and same Dad.

Another family member is after another puppy but breeder not planning until 2021 so they are on the waiting list.

Still churning out crossbreeds very regularly. Either a lot of bitches or a lot of litters from few bitches. Just after the money.
Wouldn’t be where I would go.

One litter every 2 years? And actually they couldn’t find a stud they were happy with so it’ll be 3 years since last litter, hence the wait until 2022.
I know a lot of pedigree breeders that do way more than that.

If you don’t agree with any crossbreeds then nothing a breeder does will be good enough, but these are one of the best breeders I have seen, pedigree or otherwise.

They have simply adapted to public demand, which has moved from pedigree to particular crossbreeds.

I dont think it that people sont agree with cross breeds. It can be done to improve genetics.

But lots of crosses arent done like that. They either add nothing, apart from a bigger price. Cockapoos are in no way superior to cockers or poodles.

F1 crosses mean its entirely potluck in terms of coat, temperament, size. F1 cockerpoos are no more valueble than an f2.

Theres a reason recues, especially spaniel ones, end up with lots of spaniel cross poodle. Because people dont get what they think they will and arent prepared for a mix of 2 working dogs. Because of irresponsible breeders and being irresponsible themseleves.

Breeds are being crossed, in most cases for profit. That's it. Just like the OP was going to buy. Neither op or the breeder are responsible. The same as alot of people who purchase crosses.

What @scarsalot said.

It’s not that i dislike the crosses. It’s the fact that somehow crosses seem to be seen as superior. More hypoallergenic, less shedding coat etc. Which is bollocks. Basic genetics..

Then prices match, you’re getting more for a cross than a pedigree, and people aren’t asking for pesky papers or pedigrees, and don’t think they need health test as they’re a cross, and well crosses are better, aren’t they..

Unregulated crossing like this is going to end up breeding in more problems, not less. The fashion for “teacup” means luxating patella’s, and the brachycephalic breeds need to be very carefully bred, either pedigree or a cross.

Crosses are produced for profit, in the main, not an intention to better dog health.

You knew it was an accidental mating and you still wanted to spend 650! no checks done on pedigree or health checked its insane

The breed is chihuahua x french bully. The dad is a french bulldog and mum is chihuahua. The total cost is £650

I think the breeder has done you a favour refusing to sell one to you.

I hope you get your deposit back, OP, but I have to say - as the owner of several adored accidental crossbreeds - that Bullchi sounds like an appalling mix. Not much use to tell you to go down the local rescue, but couldn’t you look for a dog with fewer health risks?

OMG, the French Bullhuahua is apparently a ‘thing’.

@makingmammaries would suggest that the breeding wasn't an accident in the park, wouldn't it

@LochJessMonster some pedigree breeders are puppy farmers or commercial breeders.
One litter every two years? Seasons every six months. So not that infrequently. Either lots of bitches or keeping on breeding from the same ones.
My current pup? Breeder last had a litter about 4-5 years ago. Older dog? Three litters in 30 years. They breed to get the next generation and try to improve the breed.
What you’re describing is a breeder purely after cold, hard cash.

She should return your deposit but I think that she is correct to refuse you the puppy.