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Breeder refusing to give me puppy or my money back

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Ownerofsmallpeople · 14/01/2020 18:30

I’m not sure if I’m being u or where I stand on this.
DH and I have decided to get a puppy early feb. We have a 2 year old and another on the way but not due til summer. We have wanted a dog for ages and decided now is the best time as my DC has just started full time nursery, I’m not in work so I have plenty of time during the day to train and spend time with the puppy. For a few weeks after I give birth DH will be taking over walks but I will still be doing the training during the day and newborn will be joining me on school runs etc so my routine doesn’t change really. I’ve raised puppies before so I know what it entails and also obviously had a newborn before so I don’t see any great issues.
We went to view some puppies a couple of weeks ago with DC, chose a specific puppy, breeder was happy discussing diet and training etc and then asked for a deposit. I paid the deposit via bank transfer the next morning. She has now text me last night and said she had one of her friends (who is also friends with me via Facebook) to have a look at my Facebook profile and show her what was on it and she has seen that I’m pregnant and now is telling me I’m “deceitful” and she “can’t trust me with her puppy”. I didn’t think it was a huge deal and I was required to tell her I was pregnant? Obviously the puppy is going to a good home with us so I don’t see an issue. I completely understand wanting your puppies to go to a good home that will look after them but I wouldn’t have thought having a baby 6 months after purchasing a puppy was a big deal.
The conversation went on for about 20 minutes of her basically patronising me and saying that in 6 months I would be calling her to take the dog back. I eventually said to her to either tell me she’s happy for the puppy to come to us or she’s not happy for the puppy to come to us, she replied “I’ll speak to my partner and decide”. I have not heard from her yet so I text her again saying she needs to let me know or send me my money back, she has read the message and ignored it.
Am I in the wrong? What would you do?

OP posts:
BettysLeftTentacle · 15/01/2020 16:33

The breed is chihuahua x french bully.

AKA animal cruelty.

FFS.

DeathByPuppy · 15/01/2020 16:35

Well, I’m not one for these ‘designer’ mixed breeds @Beautiful3 but I would hope that for £1350 you got a puppy from a reputable, licensed, traceable breeder with a complete, sound health history from both parents?

My full pedigree, top notch health results (both through his genes and in himself), perfect temperament through the generations (which I was able to see as his mother, grandmother and gr. grandmother were also with the breeder), sired by one of the most sought after studs in his breed was ‘only’ £1200.

Amatteroftime · 15/01/2020 16:39

I work in dog training and behaviour, and I really would not recommend getting a dog in this situation.
Puppies have different personalities, many a time people have said to me they've raised dogs before to find themselves in over their head when theh get a very different type of dog (and I'm not jist talking breed). At 6 months old a dog will be reaching adolescence and become harder work.
I would hold off on a dog for a couple of years personally, especially if you are on low income, just in case. Ours has some health issues that mean he is more expensive than normal.

LakieLady · 15/01/2020 16:47

The breed is chihuahua x french bully. The dad is a french bulldog and mum is chihuahua. The total cost is £650

Wtaf? Two breeds both with known health issues (breathing issues because of brachycephaly in the FB and chihuahuas can suffer from issues with their tracheas) is a recipe for disaster and big vet bills. And chihuahuas can be snappy little gits. I've known FBs with temperament problems, too. And with the sire coming from the larger breed, I don't fancy the dam's chances of a trouble-free delivery.

I'm sorry, OP, but YABVU. And irresponsible. As is the owner of the bitch.

hellsbellsmelons · 15/01/2020 16:50

Now you have managed to get out of this one OP.
Please look into breeds and their health issues and what would suit a family.
That cross would have some horrendous health problems.
And £650 for a mongrel - wow!!!

easythere · 15/01/2020 16:51

NO WAY was that accidental mating!!!

'French bullhuaha' are a 'designer dog' breed that is increasingly popular.
She's only after money and that's that.

FizzyIce · 15/01/2020 16:58

@Beautiful3 wow.. you got ripped off

thetreeisstressingmeout · 15/01/2020 16:59

Two children is more than double the work! Seriously wait until you have the baby and you'll be glad not to have a puppy too.
What if you have to have a c section, or god forbid something else happens you would regret the puppy.
She is a more sensible person then you even if she was stupid enough to have an in neutered dog.

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 15/01/2020 17:03

@Beautiful3 I think it's more likely that you got ripped off.

lalafafa · 15/01/2020 17:12

£650 for a dog and your dp is a low earner? bloody ridiculous

SusanneLinder · 15/01/2020 17:18

A chihuahua mum and a Frenchie dad? Is that woman nuts? That poor wee chi.😪. Are the puppies born yet? If so I would have thought that the poor dog would have to be c sectioned. Doesn't bear thinking about.

bluebluezoo · 15/01/2020 17:23

The breed is chihuahua x french bully. The dad is a french bulldog and mum is chihuahua. The total cost is £650

That’s not an accidental mating.

And why the fuck people pay over £1000 for cross breeds when health tested, registered pedigrees don’t cost that much I don’t know. these crosses are fashion, not best interest of the dog.

Btw I have a pedigree yorkie. Who was the runt and has not grown properly and has kneecap issues. If one more idiot approaches me in the park about my “teacup” dog and how cute it would be if we let him mate with their chi/poo/maltese/bulldog/bichon and i could have a puppy- it’s be worth £1500 apparently Hmm.

Got the little fucker neutered now which stops the more observant Grin

Pippinsqueak · 15/01/2020 17:35

Pretty sure the new rules are if you make over £1000 on a litter then you have to pay tax. You also need a breeders license I believe now. Worth looking into and shopping her in

SaintWillibald · 15/01/2020 17:36

I call bullchi (t) on this! So many red flags!

MissPepper8 · 15/01/2020 17:49

Pretty sure the new rules are if you make over £1000 on a litter then you have to pay tax

Geez really? We were told our Pembrokeshire corgi breeder charged £1200 for a pup and more if she saw potential in the pup you were buying.

Mummy232019 · 15/01/2020 18:11

@LakieLady I’ve seen it with my own eyes, before uc came in the man in question was switched from jsa to esa with disability premium it continued unquestioned for years on the basis he was attending an alcohol programme. Just because you look into people doesn’t necessarily mean others do.

Mummy232019 · 15/01/2020 18:18

@zoobincan you genuinely believe the dwp would put that on their website what link are you expecting? It’s a flaw in the system they aren’t advertising it Hmm.

GiveHerHellFromUs · 15/01/2020 18:18

@Beautiful3 what breed(s) is your dog? I can't possibly imagine there's a crossbreed worth that amount

zoobincan · 15/01/2020 18:21

you genuinely believe the dwp would put that on their website what link are you expecting? It’s a flaw in the system they aren’t advertising it Hmm

Haha. No. I don't believe that at all. In fact I think you are talking bollocks and I was challenging you to prove it.

LochJessMonster · 15/01/2020 18:23

Several members of my family have bought a ‘designer crossbreed’ all from the same breeder, health checks for both mum and dad, everything you would want from a breeder and they paid £1500 for each puppy.
Much larger breed than a chi x though.

Is it a waste of money? It’s their money, their dog, their choice.

DeathByPuppy · 15/01/2020 18:26

People pay an arm and a leg for ‘designer’ doodle breeds, @GiveHerHellFromUs. No idea if that’s what @Beautiful3 has but these trendy nonsense crosses can go for a bomb.

Wolfiefan · 15/01/2020 18:51

@LochJessMonster I wouldn’t want to buy from a breeder repeatedly breeding their bitches or having so many bitches that they could have lots of puppies for different members of the same family. That’s a commercial breeder.
Health checks? Eye or hip scoring? Or a quick useless vet check?

happycamper11 · 15/01/2020 18:58

I was fully on your side OP. For me there was no better time to get a pup but when dc2 was small as I was at home and will never have that opportunity again. We desperately want another but I don't even think my 6/7 weeks summer holidays is enough before I go back to my 22 hours a week which I'll no doubt be doing for many years so that's that. Toddler/baby proofing and puppy proofing can compliment well if it's thought out - not everyone finds puppies hugely stressful just like not everyone finds babies and young kids stressful - some cope far better with sleepless nights etc... however a chi mum and bull dog dad ... nope - poor poor mum, that's just appalling and I'm blow questioning your judgment a little. If anyone was really crazy enough to combine these breeds at least make the mum a Frenchie. My friend has a Boston Terrier who is far bigger than a Chihuahua but still significantly smaller than a Frenchie. She was recently let out by someone else while in season and was mated by her small Frenchie Male. She had her straight down the vet to prevent a pregnancy as it would be cruel to entertain the idea despite the fact she could probably had made stupid money from the pups. You should definitely get your money back as she has changed her mind not you but I really think you've dodged a bullet both with the potential pup which may not be suitable for a young family for several reasons, may be unhealthy and also as you can feel better not supporting this situation!

Beautiful3 · 15/01/2020 18:59

@DeathByPuppy yes both parents were health checked. Mother and father are pedigree dogs with family tree documents. Met the mother a few times in her family home (mothers first and last litter). Mother was in good condition and seemed happy. The father has a face book page that we could look at. The breeder had them wormed, vet checked and micro chipped. In my opinion he was a responsible breeder. I originally went to a rescue centre, only to be told none but one (a whippet who murdered a neighbours small dog, but great with kids) would be allowed home with me as I have children under 12. At the end of the day, If I'm going to pay big money for a dog, then its going to be the one I really want. Mines beautiful. Money is objective anyway. £1350 to me is fine as he's what I want and I can afford it. There were cheaper ones around £900, but they reeked of puppy farms. He's a red f1 cockapoo.

Tunnocks34 · 15/01/2020 19:07

bluezoo we also have a Yorkie and I have been stopped and asked several tones if she is neutered and would I breed her - she is neutered.

I don’t know if she is a pedigree - we found her as a three day old pup in a bag in our local park! By some miracle she squeaked and my husbands mums dog sniffed her out. We thought she was a mouse initially. We were pregnant within a month of deciding to hand rear her. By this point I’d already spent a month feeding her on demand every hour with a syringe and teaching her to wee and poo with a cotton call so really wasn’t willing to give her up