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AIBU pregnancy with an unsuitable man ALL over this site

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SiriusBlack94 · 12/01/2020 09:16

It amazes me that EVERY day there are multiple posts with...

My DH is so lazy —— I’m 30 weeks pregnant
My DH is a narcissist how can I leave him —- I have a baby on the way
I don’t love my DH anymore - but I’m 28 weeks pregnant
DH drinking all the time/doing drugs/ controlling/ doesn’t help around the house —- but I’m pregnant.

Like seriously. Why are women so casual about getting pregnant with men that aren’t suited to them or who they aren’t in a loving relationship with. I know in some cases a man can turn abusive during pregnancy but in the majority of cases it’s things like ‘my DH drinks 4 times a week’ or ‘my DH never helps around the house’ which you would’ve KNOWN but still got pregnant.

I just don’t understand it and they are then tying themselves with often multiple children to these men.

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midsummabreak · 12/01/2020 12:25

Well said Whatisthisfuckery

user764329056 · 12/01/2020 12:26

Wouldn’t it be great if the National Curriculum actually focused on teaching our kids some of the things that really matter, life skills in regard to relationships, self esteem, boundaries, etc

rosajosephine · 12/01/2020 12:26

I'm talking about coming from a place of understanding for victims and how they end up there. I'm talking about supporting them even if they three kids in without judgement.

I don't see why that is such a hard concept to understand.

I'm far more concerned with women getting out of these relationships than telling them it's their fault 🤷🏽‍♀️

It's a heavily acknowledged that abusive men often witnessed abuse in the home. There are non judgemental services that can help them overcome their demons if they choose to. My primary concern will always be with victims.

Inappropriatefemale · 12/01/2020 12:28

I think some people just have a hard time admitting they were foolish, it’s human to be foolish though and there’s nothing wrong in it.

I watch Teen Mum and I scream at these silly young girls, Shannon trapped Charlie into that second baby whether people want to say it was down to him or not, she said she would get the MAP but she ‘forgot’, my arss she forgot, he already told her he didn’t want another but she didn’t listen, he treats her like shite and in her inexperience she thought baby 2 would make him good, dear lord...

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Inappropriatefemale · 12/01/2020 12:30

...and for those whose parents don’t educate them, I’m constantly talking to my daughter about the right choices etc but she constantly moans at me and says ‘right mum I know’ but she doesn’t know, she just thinks she does, my mother never spoke to me about anything!

LolaSmiles · 12/01/2020 12:31

Wouldn’t it be great if the National Curriculum actually focused on teaching our kids some of the things that really matter, life skills in regard to relationships, self esteem, boundaries, etc
If only people realised these things were already covered in PSHE programmes before doing the usual thing of 'take social issue, put it into schools' with bonus marks available for suggesting that anything in the curriculum that isn't life skills doesn't matter.

Inappropriatefemale · 12/01/2020 12:32

School never spoke to me about bad men and parenting, I left school in 1997 so this could be why.

TheYearOfTheDog · 12/01/2020 12:33

@HaggardMumofToddler oh dear, you're TELLING me that I'm projecting. I replied to you on the basis of your comment! You said you would ''tell'' your daughter what to do. I said that this isn't the best way to view it. I don't doubt you would intend to be there for your daughter but if your way of guiding her is to tell her what the best way of doing things is, she won't trust her own voice. She won't even hear her own voice. It's an important distinction and not everybody well-meaning mother gets it.

PumpkinCounty · 12/01/2020 12:34

YANBU.

A woman I know is 20weeks pregnant to some useless man, he doesn't work, sleeps all day/out with his friends at night. He's not even legal in this country.
She's now complaining that he's not helping with anything, won't decorate her house (they live separately), go to appointments etc.
A neighbour started a relationship with a young layabout who takes drugs, involved in petty crime etc and she's now crying because he's gone to prison for the 3rd time.

What the fuck do these women expect to happen? Everyone can see these men are dickheads but the women still carry on with their "oh but I love him" crap and expect sympathy.

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Inappropriatefemale · 12/01/2020 12:37

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind, and I’m not talking of abused women when I post, I’m talking of women who go into it with their eyes open but then seem to shut them when they fall pregnant.

People judge people sometimes, it’s human nature.

AutumnRose1 · 12/01/2020 12:37

Inappropriatefemale why do you watch it? I haven't seen it. Is it a good warning for teens?

I think most of us get into relationships without being "told" about healthy relationships tbh.

Inappropriatefemale · 12/01/2020 12:40

I don’t watch it now because it pisses me off no end, it’s like I’ve forgotten what it was to be young and naiveBlush

I think it’s quite a good deterrent for teens not to get pregnant, the American one isn’t as much because they’re all quite rich now which sends out the wrong message, but then so does our government send out the wrong message by giving pregnant teens houses.

missjaysays · 12/01/2020 12:40

Pregnancy is a 'critical period' in which 30% of domestic abuse begins.

that 30% is only what is reported and recorded, and this is only 'domestic abuse'

If it's a critical period where a large percentage of domestic abuse begins, imagine the other kinds of behaviours that start which might not be defined as domestic abuse, but just all round fuckery.

FenellaVelour · 12/01/2020 12:41

a better question would be why are there still so many appalling men who fail to step up when they become fathers and partners.

Maybe because their own father was useless?

Children learn from their parents, after all. And so the cycle continues.

Wakaranaihito · 12/01/2020 12:42

A third of all domestic abuse starts in pregnancy. A third. Starts.

TheYearOfTheDog · 12/01/2020 12:42

I'm not in the UK, but I think there are all sorts of housing crises in the UK, I don't think a pregnant teen automatically gets to rent a social house, never mind a ''free''' house. REnt still has to be paid in social housing.

Inappropriatefemale · 12/01/2020 12:44

Shannon from Teen Mum UK was brought up by a young single mum so I can see why she got into the same situation, it’s sad but once I had my DD then I quickly grew up and realised things about men but Shannon doesn’t seemed to have learned that if the boyfriend is useless with one baby then he isn’t going to screw the nut with 2Confused babies!

Megan was annoying as well, 2 babies didn’t ‘bring her and Dylan together’ but she thought getting a dog might, I mean Jesus!

Lockheart · 12/01/2020 12:44

It's not just children.

You see so many women on here with threads that that all run the same - "my boyfriend is a useless waste of space but we're getting married / buying a house / I'm moving to his country / TTC" - why?!?!

And too often, even when it is pointed out to them by many posters, they will ignore it. And then they'll be back a few months later because nothing has changed except now they are trapped.

These relationships have more red flags than a communist parade and yet they still stay and plan to tie themselves to these men - financially, legally, have children...

emilybrontescorsett · 12/01/2020 12:44

Well it was a long time ago when I married my first husband.
Before we had children out motto was "whoever gets in first cooks, the other person washes up."
We split the housework fairly evenly.
He did however like to go out drinking, as did i.
Before I became pregnant we spoke about how things would be.
When our baby was born he was hard work. Dh decided that he found it very difficult. I asked him to help during the night, go check on the crying baby etc etc. He made excuses that as I was breastfeeding, it should always be me who got up. He said he would bond more with our child when the child was older.
Things were tougher than before but I wanted another child, probably more than I wanted him. I lived in a world where single mothers were stigmatised.
I absolutely wanted another child and if that meant having to tolerate me doing the majority of the housework then so be it.
It stopped being 50/50 we argued but it was either do it myself or it doesn't get done.
I did not want to be a single parent , having grown up being raised by a single mother.
Looking back after one of his drinking episodes( he was never violent, just spent too much time away from us) it went to my mums. I remember sitting there wondering what to do. I knew then that if I didn't have young kids and we weren't married, that I would have left him, no doubt. I even think I would have sought a divorce if it weren't for the fact that we had children.
Having children was what made me stay.
We divorced some time ago and it was horrendous. He turned nasty and the kids don't speak to him.
Society has changed, thankfully.
It's easier to remain childfree or indeed be a single parent.

Lillygolightly · 12/01/2020 12:45

I think we currently live in a time where in terms of rights, equal pay, freedoms etc a lot will say women have never had it so good as they have it now. However we are all aware that things are still not equal and that indeed we still have a long way to go for things to ever truly be equal.

We also live in a time when it has never been so easy as it is now for men to have a steady stream of women to meet. Online dating, hook up sites, webcam and porn....it’s a huge candy shop of casual sex possibilities. Because of this, there is very little motivation for a man to grow up settle down and accept responsibility, since it so easy to just meet someone else and on and on it goes.

The dynamics of life has changed so much for women, we are now expected to have a career, have a family, have a successful and equal relationship. For so many women it’s a nice ideal to have, but a hard reality to find in practice. We are told we can have it all, but having it all is hard to find especially in an environment of such competition and it is a competition. Your competing with a host of women who are just a click away who will accept less and put up with more, or who are just fantasy versions of sex goddesses dancing naked on the pages of some dodgy website. So now we are supposed to be independent and financially independent, be educated and earn a good living or have a career, be good mothers and caregivers, and sexy shaved minxes in the bedroom. That maybe an extreme but if you look at it in black and white, it’s a situation that definitely exists.

What has changed for men? Well they are now expected to share the domestic burden in the home and to take equal parental responsibility and do childcare, so settling down is less attractive to a man than it has ever been, and staying single or in serial casual relationships has never been easier.

I don’t for a moment doubt that there are wonderful men out there who want an equal and loving committed relationship, who want children and are willing to stick around and actually have more than just a hand in raising them. These men exist, but how many are there, they are certainly in the minority. When you compare the amount of these good men to the amount of women who want to find them they are definitely outnumbered.

So when you consider the above and the fact that at some point in most women’s lives we want a child, is it any wonder so many end up having that child with a man who is less than perfect. I’m not saying it’s right, but that it’s what happens.

Of course in a perfect world every woman would instantly dump any man who didn’t measure up, or who raised a red flag, or whatever. They would wait and hope to find that one good man, stay with him long enough to ensure he really is good and isn’t going to turn into and abuser, cheater, drug/gaming addict, alcoholic etc. Then settle down, get married (because we must do this to ensure we are protected), get to a point of being financially secure, own a house, have the children we’ve waited and saved for, make sure we can financially and emotionally provide for without expecting any benefits from the state. All the while we must also be saving into a run away fund to be on the safe side so we can ensure we are not screwed and can look after ourselves and our children if indeed for any reason the man turns out to be a bastard in the end anyway. Yes it’s sensible, and yes it’s always good to be prepared, but it’s a lot to expect of women, who expects it of a man???

Inappropriatefemale · 12/01/2020 12:45

My daughter watches Teen Mum and thinks that they’re foolish and I’m gals about that.

purplelila2 · 12/01/2020 12:46

OP you have absolutely no idea no comprehension at all.

My own situation I came from an abusive family lost my mother in my late teens .
My childhood was very restrictive no makeup, certain style of cultural clothes, not allowed to go out.

I married young to escape that and married my childhood sweetheart as boyfriends definitely also not allowed .

Yes I loved him I married very young at 19 did I know he would change ? No

Did I know he would become lazy ? No

Did I know it would be me taking all the mental load ? No

It only became evident after our 3rd child was born.

So you clearly dont understand its not all black and white . You speak from a place of privilege.

You were never beaten or punched by your parents or ran away from home penniless.

TheYearOfTheDog · 12/01/2020 12:46

If only people realised these things were already covered in PSHE programmes

Are abusive relationships specifically covered though? I've had a look at my DD's text books, she studies a similar subject my country and it's all good stuff, I wish it had been a subject when I was at school, but it doesn't spell out clearly what financial abuse is, what emotional abuse is......... how a perfect storm of disadvantages and hurdles can all combine to trap a woman with a man after she's had a child.

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