AIBU to think there’s no justification for eating meat and dairy any more?

[AnnoyingVegan]

People are educated now. People know that eating meat and dairy is disastrous for the planet. People know it’s causing an unprecedented climate crisis. People know it causes untold cruelty to animals.

So why are people still doing it? There is a vegan substitute for virtually every meat and dairy product you can think of. What is going on here?

The number of people I’ve seen on social media breaking their hearts over Australia shooting wild camels and horses because they drink too much water while still eating beef blows my mind.

Why would a vegan want a dairy cow to continue the cycle of being artificially inseminated, calf removed, (slaughtered if male/entered into same cycle if female) then off to the abattoir once she is of no further use to the industry.

The 23 millions cows will be slaughtered,replaced,slaughtered, replaced ad infinitum whether the vegans like it or not. They would want that cycle to end. I would rather they were rescued and could live out their days naturally. It will never happen though i understand that.

Scones sorry but with out clotted cream they are just meh

It's extremely disingenuous (or utterly thick) of people to post pictures of the fact that these medications exist and then try and claim that they are used to routinely supplement farm animals to increase the B12 levels for when we eat them
Agreed. Why would farmers routinely prescribe vitamin treatments to animals that didn't need them.

They would want that cycle to end. I would rather they were rescued and could live out their days naturally. Have you any idea how to feed and look after a dairy cow?

I totally disagree. I eat a little red meat - twice a week max. I buy local, organic and grass fed.

Compare that with highly processed soya, heavily sprayed and grown on land that used to have rainforests.

It’s another blooming money making fad

giving up meat and dairy is still, by far, the single biggest thing a person can do to reduce their carbon footprint.

Not true. The University of Sheffield found diet only effected 10% of a persons carbon footprint. So not eating meat or dairy merely affected that 10%.

Exactly what I always say @user1497207191
No one expects an Inuit to become a vegan, it would be totally unnatural. They are proof that we are indeed omnivores designed to eat a variety of things.
The only correct and ethical way of eating, is eating locally produced food in my opinion. If everyone only ate what's available around them we wouldn't have to ship so much in and cause pollution as well as destruction of other people's habitats.

Oh a vegan telling a meat eater what to do

derxa yes,my family own a dairy farm in Ireland.

The people that get my goat the most, in all this, is the blooming evangelical soya eating vegans, who spend several holidays a year jetting all over the world, whilst sneering at the person quietly eating their locally sourced cheddar.

Get tae fuck

So many people getting sucked in by this virtuous vegan propaganda at the moment

It’s a very unhealthy long term plan to go vegan. It’s an unfortunate truth that humans have evolved to eat animal products. Some species are not, but we are! We need to get the fuck over the fact we are killers and work out how we do it with least possible harm

I know someone who has been vegan for 25 years, way before this trend. Anyway, severe arthritis and severe osteoporosis aged 45.

It’s not a good long term strategy

I agree. I suspect you can be vegans for a few years and get away with it. I think you could probably supplement some of the stuff to help. But the vegans I know don’t look terribly well.

There is a huge difference between eating locally sourced meat a few days a week to low quality, mass produced and misery inducing processed meats in terms of overall health

Because everyone makes their own choices and priorities.

You are no different. You're typing this on some tech using electricity and the internet. It's being posted in a site that I am willing to bet uses cloud technology for processing and/or storage. Or rents specs in a data centre.

All of which has a massive carbon footprint and almost certainly involves dubious and unethical emolument practices somewhere in the chain.

So you made the same choice too and found it impossible not to compromise your ethics in some way.

I was following vegan diet for a while but I am also on infertility treatment and it appeared to be affecting my egg production, as soon as I started eating eggs and fish again treatment started to work so that is why I am not vegan.

Also when I was eating mostly vegan I didn't feel the need to preach about it. You are actually putting people off the idea. Also pure veganism has been linked to Orthorexia and sometimes does more harm then good. DH is a meat eater and I would buy and cook it for him. It is about choice.

I'll tell you why I eat meat and dairy - because I have to. I am allergic to pretty much every meat substitute there is, and nut milks are no good for me either. If you'd seriously rather people died from anaphylaxis due to taking that risk by going 100% vegan, I pity you.

Being vegan raises chances of a stroke. Eating red meat (a lot) increases chances of a heart attack.
Having both in a family and seeing how people live with it, there is no way I would willingly do anything that increases my chances of a stroke. I would rather deal with heart attack

I was following vegan diet for a while but I am also on infertility treatment and it appeared to be affecting my egg production, as soon as I started eating eggs and fish again treatment started to work so that is why I am not vegan.

I didn’t want to put that about the vegan if 25 years as I thought it may distract and cause a shit storm. But yes, her fertility was ruined too.

Try making a natural carnivore vegetarian and see what happens to its health over time

Our bodies are what they are.

I'm pretty sure that soy is not that good for you, I read that it can make you infertile and it should only be given to young children in moderation, iirc it was damaging to males long term fertility?

The only way to combat this kind of vegan gloating is to commit to the rule of 3.

For every animal some sanctimonious vegan refuses to eat, I’m going to eat 3. I’ll eat my share. I’ll eat your share. And I’ll eat an extra share.

More animals will be eaten thanks to your sanctimony. You should go home and feel bad.

@Dissimilitude hAha
I’d be worried id get the vegan’s share of colon cancer tho

I think everyone should cut down their consumption, but not cut out if they don’t want to.
I don’t buy red meat any more, since I knew how much it contributed to environmental disaster. I eat chicken about once a week and fish a bit more.
DD is veggie and fussy so if we’re having meat or fish I sometimes give her a substitute and tbh they can be full of crap and we’re having the ‘healthier’ option.
As for dairy - I love cheese and eggs. I don’t see eating them as bad as eating meat so I will carry on. I buy organic milk and yoghurt in the main anyway.

As an aside, the ‘vast body’ of evidence that says that red meat causes cancer Is based on ONLY epidemiological studies. There are no definitive causal studies in publication.

Red meat is a non-inflammatory food to the body. It creates no inflammation of any kind.

Most of the research around cancer acknowledges that cancer is definitely related to inflammation in the body.

Many vegan foods are inflammatory because by virtue of what you have to eat, they are higher in carbohydrate. Red meat has no carbohydrate at all. Carbohydrate inflames the body.

Anyway, I know where I’d put my money for long term health.

*i do not mean processed red meat in hot dog sausages etc. I mean a good chunk of grass fed beef.

Do you find you don't get invited out a lot OP?

I really think we should have discussions like this one from Radio 4 Food Programme.
Very interesting listening...
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000bl1k

OP:
"giving up meat and dairy is still, by far, the single biggest thing a person can do to reduce their carbon footprint."

That's factually incorrect.