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... to think my sister is a CF?

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motherofadog · 08/01/2020 17:58

Warning: this is long and also about my mother. Continue at your own risk.

Basically, we never got on. She was an anxious, controlling perfectionist and I never quite came up to scratch. She used to tell me she loved me but she didn't like me, she preferred the animals, and once she told me I wasn't the daughter she'd wanted. She wasn't always like that, but enough to leave a mark.
We established an uneasy truce after I left home but I saw her as little as possible; our relationship improved when I had my kids in my late 30s and early 40s but we were never close. However I was close to my younger sister, and we spent a lot of time together. She had a better relationship with our mum, and 20 years ago when our kids were small, she and her family moved 500 miles away to her partner's home town and Mum went with them. For the first 10 years Mum was active and fairly independent, although she didn't drive and needed help with moving house and with her finances. She gave my sister and bil a lot of free childcare in return.

Mum used to come and stay with us; we had some lovely Christmases and summer holidays together and from my perspective our relationship improved. I still found it very difficult to stay with her (she has her own house) when we visited them, but when she stayed with us, it was ok. My sister has never visited me once since they moved, although they stay with her bil's family, about 100 miles from us, regularly. It's always been up to me, the skint single parent, to make the journey, because it's too difficult for her with two kids, a partner, and money to spare. I've always suspected that her partner doesn't like me, although we get on well superficially.

Moving on... Mum's had dementia for a while, her health crashed about 3 months ago, and she's been in hospital ever since. I went to visit a couple of months ago and it was clear that my sister is run ragged dealing with her, teenagers and working full time. And her partner has recently developed a potentially serious health problem. Mum was very happy to see me and came closer than she's ever done to apologising for (or even acknowledging) her part in our difficult relationship. It meant so much to me that I wrote down everything she said so that I wouldn't forget it.

I'd mentioned to my sister that I could move into Mum's house and be her full time carer. It seemed like a plan to me; my sister was overwhelmed, Mum would be happier at home, I'm a waspi, working for minimum wage to pay the rent, my kids have left home, and there's nothing to keep me here except my friends, who will still be here when I come back. It would bring the family back together, and give me a way of contributing and being part of it. And it would give us a chance of getting a little bit of money out of Mum's house, even if she had to go into residential care in the end. That would make life much less of a struggle for me, and although my sister doesn't need it, she deserves it. Spending time with Mum convinced me that I could do it, and I asked my sister to think about it seriously. She wasn't convinced; distinctly underwhelmed, despite the overwhelm.

So, radio silence apart from a few texts about Mum and presents, until a couple of days before Christmas when an envelope arrives from my sister. Expecting something nice, I open it to find a printed letter telling me that Mum has been assessed and needs residential care. Fair enough.

And then she tells me that Mum took independent financial advice some years ago (land registry says 5) and gave the house to her. She'd insisted that I wasn't to be told until she died. And my sister had gone along with it until it got too uncomfortable and she had to tell me.

She signed the letter with a kiss. She never does that.

I told her I could see why she hadn't told me face to face. And I said I was sad, not because of the money which was a lie, but because of the deception. She texted back: No deception. I was just carrying out Mum's wishes.

Since then, I've had a couple of texts (with kisses) and sent one back (without) about presents. I don't know what to say. I feel so let down. I feel like I've been set up. Like Mum conned me into forgiving her by lying to me. She was always so proud of treating us both equally; I should have realised it's no more true now than it was then. I'm pretty sure she wasn't capable of thinking it up and doing it all by herself; she's not usually so proactive; she used to leave all that to my dad, and now my bil. I'm remembering all the weird things my sister has said, which turn out to be actual lies. I want to tell her what deception is, because she obviously doesn't understand. I want to write her a letter, but I've no idea what to say or what I want the result to be. Mostly I just wish it had never happened, because it feels horrible. I feel like I've lost my sister.

AIBU? WWYD? WTF do I do next?

OP posts:
Hadalifeonce · 08/01/2020 18:14

I am not sure of the legal position, but I think there is something about giving away assets and then going into care.
Before doing anything re your sister, it might be worth getting some legal advice.

Justsaynonow · 08/01/2020 18:15

I'm sorry you're experiencing this - I experienced a situation with my father that led to massive upset/feelings of abandonment. I ended up writing him a letter (during many sleepless nights) about how I felt about his behaviour. I know your mom has dementia but it might help you to write a letter to both of them - and send them/ talk to them if you feel like it. It was too devastating for me to attempt in person.

On the plus side, at least you didn't get sucked in any further to providing full time care, only to find out the situation after death. And I'm not solely referring to the money, though that stings - it's the betrayal, favouritism whatever you call it.

It sounds like your sister has a conscience, and couldn't take you up on your offer without filling you in - is that possible? But if she orchestrated this with your mom, maybe she just didn't want to have an eviction fight with you?

Either way, the situation sounds toxic and I don't know that I could ever continue a relationship with someone I thought was capable of such behaviour. This post helps me when dealing with stressful situations - hope it helps you Flowers

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 08/01/2020 18:21

I think the person you should be angry with is your dm, she put your sister in a difficult position by saying she must not tell you about this and the fact that you now know shows that your sister was not happy with this. I agree that the transfer of ownership may be seen as deprivation of assets, so the value of the property may have to be used to pay for her care anyway.

WatchOutLurkerAbout · 08/01/2020 18:23

My step dad went through something similar recently. His bio dad left when his mum was pregnant, so he was raised from day one by his SDAD (SD) who was always dad to him despite a difficult relationship he stuck by him and offered full time care when he was dying last year. A letter arrived in the post from the SD basically saying he wasn't his bio son and he wouldn't be entitled to anything and it had all been decided with a family friend who was basically an aunt to him. The SD died a few months later and my step dad is still reeling from it. It since turns out that my step dads biological daughter received money and was invited for visits by the SD behind his back. As well as other family members. He held it in and didn't say anything about how he was feeling and now he has no one to say it to. He wishes he'd made his thoughts and feelings heard regardless of the fallout because he had a right to be heard.

It's horrible position to be in and I really feel for you but I think you need to honestly write down what you are thinking and feeling and try to make sense of it, then decide whether you post it.

I really feel for you Thanks

Howyiz · 08/01/2020 18:26

Honestly I would ring your mother and tell her how you feel, at least you will get it off your chest how unfair she has been. Then tell your sister she is welcome to your mother and her assets and go no contact with them all.

EL8888 · 08/01/2020 18:29

They both sound like a nightmare. Being brutal if l was you then l would leave your sister to get on with it all and distance yourself from it all. Plus it could be argued she “owes” your mum for all of the childcare etc and the fact she has been given a house. She has made her bed and now she needs to lie in it

AGirlCalledJohnny · 08/01/2020 18:32

Is it private residential care? In which case any money from the house will be eaten up by it

slashlover · 08/01/2020 18:33

So you didn't get on with your DM for many years, you say it improved when you were in your late 30s/early 40s. Your DS was close to your DM and for 10 years drove her around, helped her move and looked after her finances. You saw her Christmas and summer holidays. Your DM got dementia and your DS was run ragged looking after her (how long has she being doing that with no help?), you saw her "a couple of months ago". Now you want to swoop in to help look after your DM, you say to help your relationship but it's pretty clear what your reasons were.

And it would give us a chance of getting a little bit of money out of Mum's house

And I said I was sad, not because of the money which was a lie, but because of the deception.

Star81 · 08/01/2020 18:34

Was your mum already suffering from dementia when this will change was made ?

KnickerBockerAndrew · 08/01/2020 18:38

That is so, so horrible. I'm so sorry that this has happened to you.

Do you think that your mother meant to do this, or do you think that your sister took advantage of her dementia to railroad/coax her into this? (I have personal experience of this happening- it's pretty common and so, so awful.)

I'd write the sister a letter and then go NC. Even if she was just following your mother's wishes, she could and should have said no. He has been deceiving you, and she can't deny that.

FredaFox · 08/01/2020 18:39

The government brought in a rule to prevent parents gifting kids their homes as it was rife
Now it's something like a 7 year rule, so if a parent needs care and the home is sold its like a sliding scale, so within 7 years the government retains a percentage, after 7 I think they can't touch you

TheCoolerQueen · 08/01/2020 18:43

There is no time limit if a council thinks you have deliberately given away assets to prevent paying care fees. It depends on if the council decide to pursue it further.

MatildaTheCat · 08/01/2020 18:46

Well presumably you’ve reconsidered your offer now? If so your sister can look forward to earning her meanly acquired house for the foreseeable future. If your DM needs residential care be sure to make certain that she is provided with the absolute best.

And honestly I think you would have regretted the move. Dementia does not improve difficult relationships IME. It tests the very strongest ones. Your BIL doesn’t like you and your DS isn’t close to you. It could have been a nightmare.

You’ve been screwed over. I’m sorry, it must be very painful but let your sister struggle now. She doesn’t deserve your help. I won’t go that far with an elderly woman with dementia but she hasn’t treated you well either.

BlankTimes · 08/01/2020 18:48

I think there is something about giving away assets and then going into care

It's called Deliberate Deprivation of Assets.

www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/care/paying-for-care/paying-for-a-care-home/deprivation-of-assets/

www.ms-solicitors.co.uk/community-care-law/deprivation-of-assets/

paranoidmum2 · 08/01/2020 18:51

Will the house have to be sold to be pay your mum’s res care fees?

I can see how hurtful it must feel. I’m not sure I would be able to maintain a relationship with sister after this.

needanewnamechange · 08/01/2020 18:57

I think it's 7 years as I know someone in my dh family wants to do something similar but leave the house to all children but just one .
So you may need to check the legality as the house still may need to be sold to pay for care .
I agree it's your mum who's in the wrong but your ds should not have gone along with it . It's a cop out to say just gone along with wishes . I agree I've had a difficult relationship with my df for years but I'd be devastated if I heard left the house ti my dB .
Yes writing a letter is a good idea but you to think what this will achieve and what you want . Also don't read anything into kisses or not .

BloggersBlog · 08/01/2020 18:57

@slashlover put it well.

If you still are offering to help your mum then it will show that you are just thinking of her and what is best. No reason to back out now if she still needs care (I wasnt sure exactly what you meant by the assessment bit - is she in care now or waiting for a place?)

If you rescind your offer because of this financial info and she is needing care whilst waiting for a place in a residential home, that also will show what your reasons really were in offering.

CambsAlways · 08/01/2020 18:58

You cannot give away assets example a house and expect the state to pay for the care,

SoupDragon · 08/01/2020 19:00

Now you want to swoop in to help look after your DM, you say to help your relationship but it's pretty clear what your reasons were

I think they're clear too but not the same reasons you seem to have jumped to.

GinandGingerBeer · 08/01/2020 19:01

It was given to the sister 5 years ago. I'm not sure how far back they go Re deprivation of assets, someone will come along who does.
I'm sorry you're in this situation Sad
Understand how bloody awful you must feel.

RamonaFlower · 08/01/2020 19:02

There's no time limit on deprivation of assets. The council can and will come after you if you sign your house over to someone to try and wangle out of care home fees. The 7 year thing is a myth.

slashlover · 08/01/2020 19:03

I think they're clear too but not the same reasons you seem to have jumped to.

OP clearly states -

And I said I was sad, not because of the money which was a lie, but because of the deception.

mumwon · 08/01/2020 19:04

as pp about deprivation of assets & if they decide this the funding for care will come out of it (& if this was done when dm had been diagnosed she is on very shaky ground). The money will be reclaimed for dm care & the cost of care is astronomical (about £1000 a week for dementia type care/nursing home because they need higher staff/patient ratio. I would be very sus - & your dm may have been sincere & because of her memory wouldn't remember handing this over - your sister may be too smart for her own good! I like many on here am deeply cynical about this. I think you need to figure a way of asking (in a roundabout way without alerting her!) how long ago this was done & if she's nasty - I would be very tempted to drop her in it - as you can see unless she has a very expensive home the money will be used up very quickly - ask her which nursing home mum is going into as you have heard so many stories about them you are worried about her

AlaskaElfForGin · 08/01/2020 19:05

During the ten years your sister has been looking after your mum, how much involvement have you had OP? I ask as I think it's probably quite relevant.

oohnicevase · 08/01/2020 19:06

You can't hand over assets and take money from the government for care , otherwise everyone would do it . She will need to sell the home and pay for her care needs . So I doubt that will last long !

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