To not get the vegan meat thing.

[Katzia]

I just don't get it. Surely if you're vegan/ vegetarian you don't want things to taste of meat which you have foresworn, so why want a fake meat taste. I just don't get the fake steak, fake bacon etc thing. Be vegan/ vegetarian or just eat meat. It's one or the other.

@HardofCleaning that’s the simple truth. As I have said up thread I am not vegan yet. But the lengths people on here go to to try and alleviate their guilt and say meat is not bad for the environment is ludicrous.

It simply is. People talk about fields disappearing in the UK if farming stopped as if the Amazon rainforest hasn’t been decimated by deforestation to make room for livestock farming.

The deflections are simply ridiculous and make no sense.

Jeez strawberries you actually believe that.

I’ll ask again - where will these wild farm animals LIVE?
Not on my farm - unfortunately I can’t afford to work and care for animals for free.

@WellErrr ...on fields and countryside land?

@WellErrr if livestock farming stopped then there would be obviously be no livestock farms anymore so that land would be freed up for the animals to roam. Is this so hard for you to comprehend?

@strawberrieshortcake,
Farm animals aren't wild animals.

The countryside would become scrubland without farming.
Someone posted upthread that a lot of the countryside is not arable.
Perhaps you'd like to suggest that they build affordable housing on the non-arable land.

Where can I buy tinned lentils for a few pence?

strawberrieshortcake

I make enough effort by writing in English instead of my mother tongue. Most people seem to easily get what I am trying to say, maybe you are not so fluent yourself if you can't get past the bad grammar of a foreigner.

That's ok, you can take catch-up courses to improve your own English. I am still learning, and I make no apologies for needing to.

if livestock farming stopped then there would be obviously be no livestock farms anymore so that land would be freed up for the animals to roam.

WHY do you think the land would be free?
Who owns the land? Why do you think they would happily give it away instead of making a profit out of it? Are you that dense?

Instead of your fairytale meadow, you'll will find a big shopping centre, an airport, new housing.. get it now?

@JoseKeller As you can see my written English is perfectly fine so I won’t be needing those catch-up classes.

Good luck in learning English!

People talk about fields disappearing in the UK if farming stopped as if the Amazon rainforest hasn’t been decimated by deforestation to make room for livestock farming. Those two things are total non sequiturs.

strawberrieshortcake
As you can see my written English is perfectly fine so I won’t be needing those catch-up classes.

clearly not as you can't understand what people write. Being fluent in a language means being able to do both

if livestock farming stopped then there would be obviously be no livestock farms anymore so that land would be freed up for the animals to roam. Is this so hard for you to comprehend?

I can’t decide if you’re a troll trying to make vegans look daft or something...

People OWN farmland. People manage farmland. IT ONLY LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES BECAUSE PEOPLE MAINTAIN IT.

Turning all the (very valuable) animals loose is not an option. Not from an economical, ethical or animal welfare point of view.

Where can I buy tinned lentils for a few pence?

Lidl or Aldi.

@MikeUniformMike if you actually read my comment you would see that I said that farm animals were originally wild animals before humans used them for food.

If livestock farming stopped then obviously more fruits and vegetable would be needed in order to fill human food consumption demands. Therefore the farmland wouldn’t become scrubland and instead of land for growing vegetables for livestock consumption it would be used to grow vegetables for human consumption.

It really isn’t that hard.

Also before you say the land isn’t ‘arable’ it’s strange that you insist so when apparently there is enough arable land to grow thousand of tonnes per year of hay, seeds and grass for cows and chickens to eat. So why could this land not be used to grow these crops for humans instead?

I'm curious as to the wild cows, sheep and chickens ambling around freely on the abandoned pasture.
Foxes would eat the chickens in no time.
The cows would probably suffer pain and infections from not being milked.
Cows and sheep would die of hunger, giving birth and so on.

Farm animals have been bred to need husbandry.

Therefore the farmland wouldn’t become scrubland and instead of land for growing vegetables for livestock consumption it would be used to grow vegetables for human consumption.

Most of our land is only suitable for grass.

I can’t eat grass. Can you?

@WellErrr I think you are making it your mission to make meat eaters seem idiotic.

I don’t know how many times I must repeat it. If livestock farming becomes obsolete (which is what we are theorising about) then people who own farmland wouldn’t be using it for livestock anymore because there would be no livestock.

I hope you are still with me.

Instead as people aren’t eating meat they would use it to grow vegetables.

I hope you are still following.

Yes they own the land but unless they are completely stupid, once they realise they cannot use it to profit on livestock anymore they will either use it for growing crops or sell the land to people who want to use it for that purpose.
Unless some farmers have absolutely no business sense and will continue to keep the land they can’t use for any profit.

I hope you will finally understand now.

@derxa explain that to me or are you just going to post a nonsensical comment with no explanation.

Also before you say the land isn’t ‘arable’ it’s strange that you insist so when apparently there is enough arable land to grow thousand of tonnes per year of hay, seeds and grass for cows and chickens to eat. So why could this land not be used to grow these crops for humans instead? What crops would they be?

@strawberrieshortcake, you really are clueless.

These animals were domesticated thousands and thousands of years ago. They have been bred to be farmed. There never were wild cows and sheep in this country.

Well, as you've pointed out the availability of fake meat means it clearly isn't one or the other!!

@MikeUniformMike of course you are correct that is exactly what will happen.

But I don’t see your point. Cows will suffer this fate because they were bred by humans to produce a ridiculous amount of milk that will be a hinderance to them in the wild.
The chicken population has exploded because chicken has been used to feed humans.

Everything you have described will happen and many animals will die, however this is all the fault of humans who have bred animals to be reliant on them.

There will be some that survive (probably those form organic farms who don’t have as much reliance on humans and medicines/ antibiotics given by humans) and then there would be a much smaller population of cows, chickens etc in the future which wouldn’t be reliant on human beings.

@strawberrieshortcake,
what crops would you grow on the moors?

There is a reason why they are used for farming sheep, not much will grow there.

strawberries you are incredibly rude.

The majority of uk farmland is NOT SUITABLE for growing crops other than grass on.
Too high - too coastal - too windswept - wrong soil - inaccessible for tractors.

The list goes on.

Your fairytale wild woodland utopia is just bonkers.

I love the taste of meat but try not to eat it for health reasons

As others have said lots of land isn't suitable for veg growing, I'm on a hilly croft in the Highlands, the land isn't good for anything but sheep.