To not get the vegan meat thing.

[Katzia]

I just don't get it. Surely if you're vegan/ vegetarian you don't want things to taste of meat which you have foresworn, so why want a fake meat taste. I just don't get the fake steak, fake bacon etc thing. Be vegan/ vegetarian or just eat meat. It's one or the other.

Even if the welfare conditions are high the environmental cost of giving land over to pasture and growing animal feed (before you even get to the emissions) is high.

out of curiosity, what do you think would happen to that land otherwise?

nd most omnivores have a shit diet - hence the obesity rate?!

let's not pretend that becoming vegetarian means having a healthy diet

I have been vegetarian for 25 years. I stopped eating meat as I didn’t like the flavour, texture or the idea of what it was. All of the other vegetarians I know stopped eating meat for similar reasons.

I don’t have a problem with the growth in “fake meat” so long as it doesn’t replace the availability of “vegetable” products eg bean burgers. If anything the rise in veganism has given us vegetarians even more choices than goat’s cheese tart (yuck) or mushroom risotto.

But for me it’s about food preferences, not a conscious ethical/moral choice.

out of curiosity, what do you think would happen to that land otherwise

Haven't you heard? The land will be taken over by vast herds of wild, marauding un-eaten cows who will force us from our homes. There is no choice really but to shape them into burgers and eat them. Or something like that....

Of course! Because fish and good quality eggs are so affordable and everyone has the resources to soak dried beans and pulses, cook them for a couple of hours and then enhance their flavour with ingredients from their extensive spice cupboard.

You're aware beans and pulses are the staple food of some of the worlds poorest communities right...?

I love the meat-eaters arguing that eating meat is actually better for the environment than going vegan. Willful ignorance must be bliss.

I had this conversation with my DM at Christmas who is vegan.

She loves the taste of meat and really misses it. She just can't bring herself to eat dead animals or animal products.

SO MANY meat eaters ask this question?! They all ask it like it's never been said before. I find it infuriating! I really don't understand what you don't get!! Is it not possible to understand that someone can like meat but not want animals to die for their meals? Or someone might like meat but have grave concerns about the effect of meat farming on the environment (it's one of the leading causes of climate change for example)? I am not vegan. I eat fish but not meat. I don't usually buy fake meat as I prefer vegetables and pulses BUT I do love toad in the hole and sausage casserole. Replacing the sausage with a carrot in toad in the hole just wouldn't cut it so I do sometimes buy veggie sausages. My friend is vegan. She loves the taste of meat but doesn't want to eat animals so she eats a lot of the meat alternatives. I have NO IDEA why this bothers meat eaters so much!

Haven't you heard? The land will be taken over by vast herds of wild, marauding un-eaten cows who will force us from our homes. There is no choice really but to shape them into burgers and eat them. Or something like that.... No I'll sell the land for a fortune to developers. Concrete's so much better for the environment than shitting, breathing animals.

I genuinely don't understand how people find this difficult to comprehend. Surely you realise people aren't vegan just because they dislike the taste of meat/dairy? I'm not vegan but it's so bloody obvious how could you possibly need to ask?

I agree @WhenISnappedAndFarted
I would love to eat a crispy bacon sandwich or a steak and kidney pie, or diet dumplings, of course I would
I don’t because I don’t agree with intensive farming. So it’s quorn and chips for me.

I've just never got the Surely if you're vegan/ vegetarian you don't want things to taste of meat which you have foresworn, so why want a fake meat taste.

Why not? It's just a taste. I've never understood why some people resent vegetarians/vegans eating quorn burgers and soya sausages. It's not the taste that disgusts them, it's what it is.

No I'll sell the land for a fortune to developers. Concrete's so much better for the environment than shitting, breathing animals.

some posters do believe that the day we all stop eating meats, the country will become an immense meadow/ wood and pollution will become a thing of the past

Of course! Because fish and good quality eggs are so affordable and everyone has the resources to soak dried beans and pulses, cook them for a couple of hours

Well yes, fish and eggs are actually quite affordable. And lentils etc come in tins for pence, not sure who still soaks and cooks them in 2020...

some posters do believe that the day we all stop eating meats, the country will become an immense meadow/ wood and pollution will become a thing of the past

Yep. The same ones who think the countryside looks the way it does by accident, not management.

In a Britain without livestock, there’d be no need for fields or grass. At all. Or hedgerows to provide boundaries. Or livestock farmers to manage woodlands, streams, upland areas.

I just cannot understand how ANYONE thinks a vegan world would be anything but a disaster.

@WellEr are you purposefully obtuse. If livestock farming stops, cows chickens, sheep etc would just live like other wild animals. Why would fields disappear? You can’t be that stupid.

are you purposefully obtuse. If livestock farming stops, cows chickens, sheep etc would just live like other wild animals. Why would fields disappear? You can’t be that stupid.

Do you actually believe this? Are YOU that stupid?

Where would they live? Who would own them? Who would look after them?

You do realise that caring for farm animals and the land they inhabit is a full time job for hundreds of thousands of people? It doesn’t just happen?

Honestly I’m not even sure where to start with this.

strawberrieshortcake

ahem... why do field disappear TODAY already?

You genuinely cannot think why lands would not be used for other things than roaming pets or wildlife? Really?

This is actually how disconnected some people are from how the countryside works, and why it looks the way it is. You astound me strawberriesshortcake.

@JosefKeller I’m not even sure how to answer your comment as it is grammatically incorrect and makes no sense

strawberrieshortcake

I am aware you seem to have difficulty in understanding, you made that very clear.

You have a lovely vision of a fairytale land full of pets and wildlife. It must be nice in your head. It has nothing to do with reality though, does it.

@WellErrr who takes care of foxes and hedgehogs and rabbits and birds.

Cows, sheep etc were originally wild animals that lived free without any need for humans so I am missing your point.

The only reasons humans ‘care’ for them now is because they are raised for meat. If that stopped happening those humans would just have to get other jobs.

If meat eating stopped then the population of these animals would fall dramatically as currently the reason the population is so big is because cows are artificially inseminated to have more offspring.

So there would be genuinely no issue whatsoever.

some posters do believe that the day we all stop eating meats, the country will become an immense meadow/ wood and pollution will become a thing of the past

No they don't. I'm not veggie or vegan (although I have cut down) but it's a simple fact that meat eating contributes massively to global warming. There's a wealth of evidence to support it. I wish it wasn't true but it is.

@JosefKeller I’m not hard of understanding but you are certainly hard of grammatical skills. Your comment made absolutely no sense grammatically or spelling wise. Why should I put effort into responding to a comment where no effort had been made to make it coherent?

You're aware beans and pulses are the staple food of some of the worlds poorest communities right...?

Yes, but thanks for patronising me anyway.