To think teachers are quite well paid?

[Newyearnewnameforme]

Not intended goadily but my salary is more than most of my graduate friends.

Obviously, it isn’t Rockefeller standards but AIBU to think it’s actually OK?

No it really wasn’t, Elizabeth. I think the goady one on here is you, and I’m surprised you can’t see it.

I earn £7 ph. Stressed out my eyeballs. It’s made me ill. Compared to previous career it’s 90x harder.

@Newyearnewnameforme what is your take on why there is high attrition for teachers and a shortage? If you were in leadership what would you do to improve vacancies/attrition?

As people have said repeatedly, you can get promoted if you teach the right thing. Not all teachers can get easily promoted.

Just off in a tangent really but actually I do believe the biggest recruitment issue is conditions. I would far rather have proper support for my children with SEND and a full time TA than a pay rise! And I don’t think I know another teacher that doesn’t feel the same. I know that’s not the point of the thread but when people talk about teachers pay I can’t help but think the government have got it wrong promising more teacher pay but not funding everything else properly.

One poster says £47,000 is verging on illegal. What a load of shite! Do people have any understanding of normal wages? That amount of money would be a dream for me and many more. I work full time long hours for less than half of that. And I don’t complain about my income - I manage it.

Been teaching 25 years on 35k goodish salary until you take into considers ALL the hours and immense stress, child care for my baby is £1450 a month for my son at school it’s £350 a month
can’t retrain in any other profession as I have small children and mortgage so can’t afford to be a student again

Yes noble that will definitely happen

@Newyearnewnameforme so you're in your 30s, I'd say £47k is probably pretty standard for a full time ambitious professional then? Depends what your graduate friends did in their careers?

I'm in my 30s and have been a SAHM for a while now but my graduate friends are all on £100k+, all working in the City (of London). All depends on area and career path. I guess if you're a teacher and stayed in the classroom well in to your 30s you'd be on more or less then same income as when you started.

Your salary is good for public sector but I think most normal teaching jobs are low paid in comparison to other civil servants and generally longer hours.

Christ, I wish.

How many teachers can realistically expect to be HOD or higher though.
Isn’t it a fact that only a limited amount of those roles will ever exist compared to the pool of teachers? Maybe 15% of total teaching workforce in each school? To suggest all teachers can get there suggests a lack of understanding of basic maths.

I hear you on the childcare nofunking but that’s not teachings fault. It does suck though.

I am sure you are great at what you do but I wonder how sympathetic your attitudes are to struggling staff.

Yes it would be very interesting to hear from the other teachers in the op’s dept.

I once worked out my teaching salary as an hourly rate - including hours prepping out of school, parents evenings etc it was around £30.
The pay wasn't the reason I stopped teaching though!

MPS still ought to be relatively automatic- if you're in a school where no one is moving up year after year I would be taking that up with your union! In my school only a small percentage of people don't get it each year, and it's not one known for being generous with pay.

However, getting into UPS is really hard in my school - and I think most schools now, and TLRs are miniscule or non existant unless you are a HoD. So after 6 years, pay can stagnate and it can be very difficult to move schools at this stage.

I'm also not sure how we can all be HOD/HoY- yes maybe if you teach a tiny subject but I teach science, there are 9 people in my department, 1 HoD, 1 second in department and one other teacher is a HOY. We can't all have a TLR. A lot of schools are also moving to "faculty" models to reduce the number of HoDs so eg in my school there is no head of computing as it's managed by science, so actually it is more like one HoD to 13 members of staff.

I think I’m on a good salary, and so I’m a bitch to struggling staff?

Oh-kay

@chocolatemademefat
Please work in a school and then you will understand why teachers feel hard done by sometimes by their wage in relation to the crap we have to put up with

Pretty sure no one called you a bitch

47k is a lot more than teachers I know get. I presume you have considerable management responsibilities.

I think the OP is getting a hard time. One of the reasons so many teachers feel trapped in the profession is that if you’ve been doing the job a while and have progressed up the scale a fair bit then it’s hard to find something else that pays as well. The idea that most teachers could be earning more money doing something else just isn’t true. Maybe if they’d taken a different route after graduating they might have ended up on more money but the vast majority would not be able to walk out of teaching after 10 years (even without promotion) into another job that pays better.
I’ll caveat all of this by saying that my experience of teaching is in secondary schools where there is far more scope for promotion and tlrs and where people on the leadership scale are much higher up the scale. As an AHT in an average-sized secondary my pay is better than a lot of primary HTs. I am aware that primary is very different.

I think I’m on a good salary, and so I’m a bitch to struggling staff?

No one has said this. Given your attitude on the thread, they're wondering how sympathetic you are to all those who just choose to stay as teachers.

I hope you have a different manner with your students than you are demonstrating on here. Seeking confrontation is not a good look in the classroom.

Where I teach outside of London 47k is a heads salary. M6 level teachers get 31k. That's after years and years. Lord alone knows where you are. What scale and where?

Where are some of the other posters getting the idea that other public sector/civil servant roles are better paid than teachers? Social work pays less and has poorer conditions.

I don't think teachers are badly paid tbh but I think schools have been starved of cash and there aren't enough supporting roles or resources which makes all jobs in schools harder