To think teachers are quite well paid?

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Not intended goadily but my salary is more than most of my graduate friends.

Obviously, it isn’t Rockefeller standards but AIBU to think it’s actually OK?

'Choose to remain a class teacher's like thats a bad thing?
Shouldn't the teaching profession be about those who want to and enjoy teaching? Not just to further their career path?

But what would be the point of that elizabeth when I’m comparing teacher salaries to other salaries?

I do use the staff room when I’m talking or posting about something specifically linked to teaching. This isn’t.

I think there is a misapprehension about how much other professions earn outside of the London bubble.

The average salary for a solicitor in the North of England is £43K.
www.lawsociety.org.uk/law-careers/becoming-a-solicitor/how-much-do-solicitors-earn/

Salaried GPs £58k - £88k
www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-doctors

I agree- although it does depend where u live. I live in the south west- when I looked at leaving teaching it was hard to find a job that would pay what I was on and I was only on 25k! My son works in retail and earns 30k- but he works weekends and holidays. So it’s a choice I made to stay because I like the holidays!

I've been qualified for 5 years and I'm on 27000. Given I'm not in London and don't have aspirations of being in the leadership team I doubt I'll ever earn over £40,000

You’re the one saying it is a bad thing, Ruby, not me.

FWIW, I do think that people are put off promotions by this sort of attitude, which is that people who love the teaching and children stay in the classroom, while others climb the greasy pole. I think this is particularly problematic from a feminist perspective.

47k is not the average wage for a teacher, as you are fully aware- most will never get to that amount.

I'm not even sure you are a teacher as most teachers fully understand the wages teachers are on, the realty of the pay range for main pay scale and Upper pay scale and would not post threads to seemingly try to start anti-teacher conversations claiming teachers pay at 47k are well paid when the majority are paid nowhere near that.

That’s what I mean, Chaz

I’m not and never will be in the London bubble, so compared to a lot of my friends I’m certainly more than holding my own.

Most will though butterfly, IF they explore promotions and opportunities.

Now, if someone really, really doesn’t want to then I’m fine with that, but how many don’t want to and how many feel they can’t / feel they have to stay in their current school / have children of their own and feel they don’t have time / think they’d be perceived as pushy ?

I think there’s a lot of superb teachers who never go for management posts because they think they wouldn’t be good enough, which is a shame.

Very goady any you know it!! I'm a primary teacher in the north of England. Absolutely ZERO chance of promotion in my school. ZERO!!!!! There's no budget for a start! We don't have 'heads of departments' and nobody gets TLRs anymore for leading a subject as...well...no budget 🤷‍♀️. I'm technically on UPS3 so 'should' be on 41k but our school converted to an academy and we all had to reapply for our jobs (was a formality, we weren't in danger of losing them, but we had to fill in lots of forms etc to do with the conversion. I don't really know!). Anyway, ultimately we were told that nobody was going to be on anything over MPS6. So now I'm on 5k less than I'm 'worth'. Which sucks!

So yeah, OP, your post is goady! Not everybody CAN earn that in teaching!! It's simply not possible...not in primary anyway, and definitely not outside London.

A classroom based teacher on main scale outside London earns much, much lower than that. And works upwards of 70 hours a week in primary. So you can piss right off with your GF thread!

It's a bit of a goady thread OP. But where I work, if you head up a dept (or business unit as we call them), you'd be on more than double that.

Same for me northern in my first school, so I left it. What’s stopping you? I mean that genuinely.

But where do you work, phil? I don’t mean your company, but it’s probably not something I have a hope in hell of doing

What is the point of this thread?

You are MLT. You get paid for additional responsibilities so your wage is clearly not a 'teacher's' wage.

You have extra free time during the week. Quite a lot in fact. Let me guess... you have no full teaching days? If you do, you have very light teaching days also.
MLT and SLT are paid very well I agree for what they actually do .

Main scale recently qualified teachers do the donkey work. Their timetable are full on and their pay is low.

I say this as someone who has taught for 20+ years and has had a variety of roles.

You are goading. If your OP said 'I think I am very well paid for the work I do as MLT and teacher' you might just fall into the YANBU camp.

Also:
but you chose to stay as a classroom teacher, didn’t you?
makes you sound like an arse.

I’m in outer London and have always felt my pay is pretty good. I started out as an NQT on about £22k back in 2009. In 2011 I got a HOD role with a small TLR, which was increased a few years later to a TLR in the region of £6k. Alongside increases due to moving up the pay scales and onto UPS I’ve always felt pretty well paid. I’m from a working class background and earn more than any of my parents, siblings, cousins, aunts or uncles do. Maybe that changes my perspective on things. In September I moved on to the Leadership Scale as an Assistant Head on about £59k in this role I think my pay will increments will stop somewhere in the region of £65k without further promotion. That feels like very fair remuneration to me.

I think the problem with teaching is not the pay (which I think is pretty good even if not spectacular) but the conditions.

It always makes me laugh when the aggressive protective posters come out. Always regarding teaching

Jesus In you should have seen my last HOD timetable, seriously.

I’d agree with that sabine

Excuse the missing punctuation.

Why is it problematic from a feminist perspective that good teachers stay in classrooms and poor teachers ‘climb the greasy pole’?

Disingenuous AF.
I retired when at the top of the upper pay scale and with a TLR as assistant HOD, £42000. A little more when previously HOD. It’s not a lot for the hours and responsibility, and it’s blatantly not typical.

Report it if you think it’s goading FFS. Can the grown ups have a chat please?

What’s stopping you

Are you aware that there are no the same MLT and SLT opportunities in primary schools? That MANY schools do not have the budget for bigger salaries? That whole LEAs are struggling?

Are you suggesting that your salary is achievable to every teacher on the basis that they move to an area where schools can afford it and teach secondary?

I think in some circumstances it is a good wage.
I am a classroom teacher with London weighting and earn 43k as I am on the top of the upper pay scale. It is the most I can earn as an ordinary classroom teacher and I think it is a reasonable wage for what I do.
Since my subject and interests are arts based I would be unlikely to earn any more in another job.
But as people above have said IT or finance professionals would earn far more in the private sector and I resent the fact that people who are doing far less significant jobs than me with fewer qualifications earn more.
I’m sure I would rep the same if I were a nurse or similar.

Cuckoo that’s not what I said. I personally don’t think your post at 9:58 is true at all.

Don’t really understand the point of threads like this. Really don’t see the purpose to them unless I’m missing the point?
Teachers are all on hugely different wages depending on where you live, the type of school and your qualifications so not really something that can be compared