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To think teachers are quite well paid?

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Newyearnewnameforme · 01/01/2020 09:13

Not intended goadily but my salary is more than most of my graduate friends.

Obviously, it isn’t Rockefeller standards but AIBU to think it’s actually OK?

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JinglingHellsBells · 01/01/2020 12:46

In every subject there is a shortage in secondary. Primary too in cities.

This is not true.

In English for example there have always been more applicants than jobs.

And looking at teacher training, the good unis are still very selective about who they take for PGCE courses.

If there was a major shortage this would be reflected in admissions and lowering the admission grades.

The issue with teaching and recruitment is that the starting salary is C£25K. This is on a par with a lot of graduate roles- certainly in DH's multinational company that is the norm.

The problems with teacher recruitment are complex.

On the one hand, you have grads going into teaching because they don't know what else to do. (This was always the case and from my old grammar school around 30-40% of my peers went into teaching as they didn't know what else to do.)

Then when they are at the chalk face they find they don't have the personality to cope with it- mainly discipline issues.
So they leave.

Or, they find that although the starting salary is ok, the opportunities for promotion are few and far between unless they want to relocate (which is harder if you have a partner in a good job or children at good schools.)

In my personal experience, SLT consisted mainly of useless teachers who wanted to teach less and do admin type roles. They were often promoted to SLT as a sideways step and sat there for years on good salaries.

If you compare the salaries of teachers though for the weeks they work each year, it's not bad pay. No other profession gets that much paid holiday ( it's what- 196 days a year of work?)
I know teachers do courses and prep in their holidays (got that T shirt, thanks) but on the whole they do work fewer days.

Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2020 12:53

In my area , secondary English is a recruitment issue. The government didn't meet its recruitment targets for most subjects last year. off the top of my head, the exceptions are secondary history, RS and biology , and all of primary.

But throwing money at recruitment in specific subjects has been shown not to solve the issue.

I think some of the stuff being said about SLT on here is a bit harsh but often true

candycane22 · 01/01/2020 12:54

I think the problem is a lot of teachers plead poverty when they are on similar to other professionals, and this upsets people. Being in the public eye means the low pay propaganda works and everyone thinks other jobs in the private sector are on mega bucks.
Top salaried nurses and teachers earn as much as most other professions. Yes there are huge money jobs out there but the majority of professionals don't have one.

Kolo · 01/01/2020 12:56

@ClairesKimono I don't regret it for a minute. I loved being in the classroom, I loved working with kids, but the job seemed much more bearable when I didn't have my own kids and didn't have to try to balance working long days and weekends with being a mum. Felt like I was always putting my own kids last.

fedup21 · 01/01/2020 12:57

*I think the problem is a lot of teachers plead poverty

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a teacher plead poverty, let alone ‘a lot’ of them?!

bettybattenburg · 01/01/2020 12:57

Thanks for the biscuit, I was watching Britain's favourite biscuit and was thinking I needed one to dip in my tea, much appreciated Grin

BoneyBackJefferson · 01/01/2020 12:58

candycane22
I think the problem is a lot of teachers plead poverty

I think that this one might be one to add to the bingo card.

I have never heard that before.

Well done.

BoneyBackJefferson · 01/01/2020 12:59

JinglingHellsBells

No other profession gets that much paid holiday

Here we go.

CaptainMyCaptain · 01/01/2020 13:00

*I think the problem is a lot of teachers plead poverty

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a teacher plead poverty, let alone ‘a lot’ of them?!*

Nobody has been pleading poverty on this thread.

Lipperfromchipper · 01/01/2020 13:02

@JinglingHellsBells my hubby is not a teacher or in ANY form of education and he gets paid for working In Total....6 months of the year!!! So no teachers are not the ONLY profession to have that much paid time off!!

candycane22 · 01/01/2020 13:03

In that case the thread is null and void. Teachers are well paid , end of. Why do people even suggest they are not.

firstimemamma · 01/01/2020 13:04

"Starting salary is around £22000 I think? Not bad really."

Unless you've been a teacher you can't really judge whether that's "not bad really".

I was a teacher and my starting salary was around that. I was at school at 7am each days and worked evenings, weekends and school holidays. Lunch break was a quick bite to eat then work to do. It was exhausting, stressful and a huge responsibility.

Plenty of 9-5 jobs with no work to do once you've left the office also start on £22k.

When you look at it like that it's not fair at all.

Kolo · 01/01/2020 13:06

A quick google says the median salary for secondary teachers is £29k. I suspect it's less if you include primary teachers, because tlrs are less available.

I don't think £29k is a bad salary. But all research shows teachers in general are not unhappy with their salary (so I'm not really sure why you're asking this, OP). I do however think it's a pretty crap hourly rate for a postgraduate profession.

And teachers don't get 13 weeks paid holiday. The statutory pay and conditions document is for 195 paid days of work plus statutory holiday pay. The other school holidays are unpaid.

neversleepagain · 01/01/2020 13:06

An executive head teacher in London earns 250k. Their role is valuable and they should be paid accordingly.

malylis · 01/01/2020 13:11

An executive head teacher does little day to day in a school and at 250k will have multiple schools.

Its a low impact role which frankly should be binned

fedup21 · 01/01/2020 13:14

An executive head teacher in London earns 250k. Their role is valuable

I’d say that was utter bollocks.

noblegiraffe · 01/01/2020 13:19

And looking at teacher training, the good unis are still very selective about who they take for PGCE courses.

If there was a major shortage this would be reflected in admissions and lowering the admission grades.

They have. Teach First now takes a 2:2 which means it is no longer the elite training route it is touted as.

All universities have been told to not be fussy about whether PGCE applicants have any school experience (at all) and have seen people dropping out as soon as they get on placement and find out school isn’t all top sets like they remember it.

fishonabicycle · 01/01/2020 13:19

A close family member is a teacher. She has been teaching for about 4-5 years, earns £45k and thinks the hours are pretty good. She does marking in free periods, and obviously has 13 week's holiday per year. In her opinion she did many more hours in the private sector.

malylis · 01/01/2020 13:21

oooh anecdata.

All other teachers are just whingers then?

MrsMillerbecameababy · 01/01/2020 13:22

neversleepagain there are a total of 21 of those roles. Twenty one. They're moved into failing schools to splash money around and turn them around in a short space of time and then they're moved on within 3 -5 years.

I worked under one - he hired me. His first words to staff on the first day were "This is not a democracy." He was an arsehole but honest about it and got results, better than the incompetent bullies who ran the other schools I worked at. Most head teachers in secondary are mediocre beurocrats.

noblegiraffe · 01/01/2020 13:22

She has been teaching for about 4-5 years, earns £45k

Luckily state teacher pay scales are public and so this is obvious nonsense.

Sotiredofthislife · 01/01/2020 13:26

On the whole there is no shortage of teachers

I teach a shortage subject in a very deprived part of the country where I would say 20 years ago, people were competing in small numbers (maybe 5 applicants for a job) for shortage subject jobs. I have worked supply for a few years now. Two years ago I worked in a lovely private school for a year which should, on paper at least, not be struggling to get staff. I worked there the whole year because despite several recruitment attempts, they could not get staff. I was not the only member of staff on long term supply at that school for that length of time.

There is a shortage of teachers who want to work in teaching be very clear about that.

mumtomaxwell · 01/01/2020 13:28

@fishonabicycle your ‘close family member’ must be on the leadership team.... with leadership comes a greatly reduced timetable. No regular classroom teacher with a full timetable earns that! The very top of the payscale is about £38k and it takes at least 8 years to get there assuming they have the talent to negotiate straight to M6 and then 2 years at each stage to get to the top of the UPS.

fedup21 · 01/01/2020 13:28

A close family member is a teacher. She has been teaching for about 4-5 years, earns £45k and thinks the hours are pretty good

Grin, yes-sure she is...

malylis · 01/01/2020 13:28

Its so funny how people obviously lie about stuff like their friends teacher salaries and lifestyle.

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