having babies despite the state of the world

[TruthOnTrial]

I am wondering about any that are contemplating pregnancy at a time when the world weather is in crisis, fires ranging out of control across Aus, also california, and others. Floods regularly now around the UK, tornados even and more extreme weather generally, a summer just gone with record heatwave temps.

Many are making a decision to not start a family as the continuing viability of life on earth is ever more unsure.

Half a billion animals killed in the Aus fires alone. People having to lock themselves indoors and residents considering leaving Aus for good.

Is it U to consider bringing future children into this?

Actually babies born in Uk have a lot better chance then in past. Air polution has always been a prob before cars it was fire smog. We now have vaccinations so haow many babies in uk do you know with TB, Polio ect. But families want the second car as the transport links for work or logistics of timings for school and work make it unusable. We like our takeaways and cofee shops. We want food from all over the world available at any time o year.

Crisis of the day theory.

Is it? Really?

Yes, we do live with the risk of nuclear travesty, which became real to the whole region of Chernobyl, which blew across the rest of the world also. All the while nuclear stations exist there is never zero risk.

We need zero mass risk solutions, harnessing windpower, maybe positioned in the most vulnerable sites around the world to wind damage to break up the destructive gusts.

However, this affects the whole planet, its not just today, its been a long time coming and is now happening faster than predicted, and predictions for limiting the global temp rise have failed, and temp increase is faster rather than slowing as a result of any measures taken to reduce it.

Its not U to see our world efforts are not working to avert or decrease climate change.

Why have you asked if it's 'U' when you don't appear to want to listen to points of view that oppose your own? Just say that it's what you think.

I agree with Op. I don't have children not just for the environmental impact no. But I would feel very guilty about bringing them into this world and what is to become of it. Not just climate change but look at world wide politics, increase in hate crimes, so much wrong in the world.

Some of the replies . Well it doesn't affect me why shouldn't I have a child? are missing the point. People are dying but it's ok you're ok ( for now!) disasters come and go but this will have an effect maybe not in our lifetime but it will affect your children and grandchildren. Sea levels rise low level countries/islands etc disappear.. crazy weather, fires, food shortages, too many people crammed into places, diseases and illness increase, antibiotics Failure and superbugs meaning more deaths etc. Your little bubble may not be initially affected but it could be eventually.

We can do all the recycling and flight reduction, less kids, reduce carbon footprint individually but it needs government and big business action to have the real impact and I don't see that happening to be honest not until more are affected and it hits home and by then it will be too late.

So to save the world no one on the planet should have children?

Quite honestly if everyone in the western world stopped producing Children ,where would the advantage be then? Many indegenious people will still carry on producing families, along with poorer people and so on .Unless we are going to sterilise everyone! Climate Change needs to be addressed by Scientists .Academics and so on to have any chance of success! Unless we are wiped out in one fell swoop Heaven forbid!

It's always been the same.

Do you really think it's worse now than like 500 years ago when most people could look forward to nothing but working or churning out baby after baby (most of whom died before getting out of infancy) before succumbing to some shitty disease at the age of 40? And yet, humans continued to procreate.

The idea that life is worse now than previous generations is nonsense. Yes, the environment is a massive concern, as is rising populism and the weirdness that arises from tech being so intrinsic to our lives, but every generation has had challenges.

It's not a great gifted future for children, we are basically asking them to clean the mess of unscrupulous unethical older generations leaders. It's like the colonies in Handmaids tale, microplastic raining down on them,in the water, air and food chain.

You have DC OP? It really doesn't sit well with me a mother telling other women they're unreasonable for considering having children.

Live your life in the best way you possibly can, don’t compulsively consume to keep up with the Jones’s, recycle, reuse and compost, think about your impact on the planet. Focus on your life and how things affect you and your family. Don't read the papers or watch the news - this is the kind of miserable frenzy they want us all whipped in to.

Fuck them!

Alos to come on to "Mumsnet" and tell us all we should be thinking twice about having children. Kind of doesn,t sit right.

residents considering leaving Aus for good

Source?
Im aussie, lived here whole life.
Not considering leaving, nor is it chatter im hearing in any walks of life. Even my brit SIL isnt thinking it. Nor is her mum.
Ive only seen it posted by a couple people on mumsnet. Hardly a mass exit

Now we aussies may consider joining New Zealand so Jacinda can be our PM though.

Im only having 1 by choice but it has NOTHING to do with environment

Its not U to see our world efforts are not working to avert or decrease climate change.
TruthOnTrial

Actually, we do have solutions that work. We just need to apply them.

This immobilizing fear, defeatist attitude and jaded view of humanity I'm seeing in your posts is sabotage.

I'm glad to see posts that put things into perspective by reminding us that humanity has faced many crises and has overcome.

Op, you have your views, just as others have theirs.
We can all do more but what the future looks like is not up to you to decide.

I have young children. It keeps me awake at night thinking that by the time they are in their early 30s, in, say, 2045, we could well be living through a time where millions if not billions are dying from climate related extreme weather, drought and crop failure, and where there will be terrifying political extremism and instability as a result.
They will quite possibly never be able to even contemplate having children of their own, and it makes me so sad to think about what they will face.
I can well imagine a time when our children's generation voices a furious anger at us, for the state we've left the world in, for their loss, their grief, the things we have taken from them.

All of us and all of our children are going to die. That is a certainty of life and most of us do not know when and how it will happen. The climate emergency is terrible and terrifying and governments need to really get behind change. We all need to try to live more ethically in all kinds of ways. None of that imo means we should stop living or having families.

To add: I think their rage will be justified.
I don't think it's at all a given that I'll be a grandparent.

I have young children. It keeps me awake at night thinking that by the time they are in their early 30s, in, say, 2045, we could well be living through a time where millions if not billions are dying from climate related extreme weather, drought and crop failure, and where there will be terrifying political extremism and instability as a result.

Or they might not be.

I lived through the Cold War and endless terrorism as a small child.

My parents had the Cold War and the Cuban missile crisis.

My grandparents had WW2 and my great grandparents WW1.

And back and back and back.

You don’t know what we’ll happen but assuming the worst is no way to live.

You don’t know what we’ll happen but assuming the worst is no way to live

No it isn't,quite worrying you're actually losing sleep over it.

I don't think it's at all a given that I'll be a grandparent

climate or not, being a grandparent is no given anyway
Your kids dont have to have kids even if the world were all hunky dory

YANBU. This is a major reason for the fact I don’t have children, and the state of the planet is deeply upsetting. The sooner the human race burns itself out, the better, really.

The sooner the human race burns itself out, the better, really.

This is a completely ludicrous statement. How would you measure that matters are better and for who/what.

There are roughly 2 billion children in the world.

Half of them are starving, with no clean water, no heating, no adequate shelter, no education and no adequate medical help.

I dont know about you, but i find this sobering and shocking.

Add the environmental and climate concerns.......
The reality is that at most we should only reproduce ourselves.

The bottom line is that more people more carnage of our Earth will occure.

The Earth is not just for us, it is home to all of the other animals as well.

Humans need to start thinking ahead.....

And take responcability, not keep taking the

But the environmental crisis isn't comparable to WW1 and those of your drawing parallels are, I think, in denial about the sheer scale of the problem.

We are facing entire ecosystem collapse. Once this begins, there will be no way back, no end to it, no eventual peace. No politicians will be able to pull us back from it. Our planet will become unlivable. We will be in a state of perpetual destruction, with the best case scenario being that some wealthy people are able to horde enough resources in small enclaves to keep life bearable for a few more decades.

It is not at all comparable to WW2, which I'm sure was awful at the time. There won't be a better time afterwards with a nice NHS new service and free university education and then a nice pensioned retirement that can be spent going on cruises.