having babies despite the state of the world

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I am wondering about any that are contemplating pregnancy at a time when the world weather is in crisis, fires ranging out of control across Aus, also california, and others. Floods regularly now around the UK, tornados even and more extreme weather generally, a summer just gone with record heatwave temps.

Many are making a decision to not start a family as the continuing viability of life on earth is ever more unsure.

Half a billion animals killed in the Aus fires alone. People having to lock themselves indoors and residents considering leaving Aus for good.

Is it U to consider bringing future children into this?

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We are facing entire ecosystem collapse. Once this begins, there will be no way back, no end to it, no eventual peace. No politicians will be able to pull us back from it. Our planet will become unlivable. We will be in a state of perpetual destruction,”

This is just extremist and alarmist nonsense. It’s no different to standing on a street corner with a sandwich board proclaiming “the end of the world is night”. Apocalyptic soothsayers emerge in one form or another in every era and that is all this is.

Its no life for a child having to be locked indoors because of the very real risk of death from the air and heat outside

Errr what? A few kids with serious lung issues are at risk. Not the entire worlds children ffs.

What are the risks of a baby dying that you bring into the world?

Very very very low.

And as for humans killing off species - do you have any idea of how many extinctions there were before humans even worked out what fire was? No I'm guessing.... clue - a fuckton more than now.

Really anyone who thinks this way has absolutely no idea of earth's incredible geological and natural history. It's an utterly ignorant point of view, held only by privileged idiots.

If OP and her ilk are genuinely interested in facts, rather than hysterical hyperbole can I suggest you search for a Hans Rosling TED talk. The best stats you've ever seen is a good one to start with. Bloody brilliant.

Nigh.

It is not at all comparable to WW2, which I'm sure was awful at the time. There won't be a better time afterwards with a nice NHS new service and free university education and then a nice pensioned retirement that can be spent going on cruises.

But they didn't know that then. They didn't know the allies would win, they didn't know the war wouldn't wipe out everyone. Germany lost and had no nhs. Everyone hoped things would improve. They all still had children.

I read that there are 200,000 more people (extra people as in births minus deaths) each day.

Again Hans Rosling. The extra people are not because more babies are being born - the global birth rate has been stable for years. People are living longer - mainly in the developing world. Maybe we should shoot the poor Africans once they hit 60? Cos that's the only thing that'll stabilise world population until it stabilises itself in about 40 years time.

Better for the planet and all the other species we share it with.

Bit tough on the koalas who'll burn to death because there are no human beings left to fight the fires, or treat their burns.

“Really anyone who thinks this way has absolutely no idea of earth's incredible geological and natural history. It's an utterly ignorant point of view, held only by privileged idiots.“

Indeed. It’s this unquestioning, unthinking mindset which is holding things back if anything. It amazes me that people cannot have any concept themselves of the scale of the complexity of this planet’s environment, and of how complex cosmology must be.

How can anyone not understand that at this point we know next to nothing about how it all works? Yet the certainty of the climate extremists, despite the only track record of climate science being failure, persists and grows.

How can people not grasp that fluctuations in the climate are nothing when compared to the massive changes over Earth’s history?

One day the Sun is going to explode and destroy the galaxy. Should we all just stick our heads in our ovens?

I blame schools. People are taught how to count, and read, but not how to think.

Maybe it’s the parents job to teach children how to think @StreetwiseHercules

“ Maybe it’s the parents job to teach children how to think @StreetwiseHercules”

I don’t think most are qualified, are they?

Bloody hell there are some thick people on this thread. It’s no wonder the planet is going down the toilet if this is a snapshot of people’s thinking on the topic of climate change.

I agree streetwise, and it’s no oversight that their propaganda only looks at climate change for the past 100 to 100,000 years ago. They deliberately choose a tiny snap shot of time to fool the uneducated into thinking that time x in the past was a baseline climate, the perfect balance, and omg how we’ve deviated from it! Shock! horror!

None of them even go back as far as the last interglacial warm period, because....well it got warmer than we are now or are projected to be and that would just ruin their carefully curated cropped timeline.

But what I feel awful about is that they will be robbed of the choice - that the world will be so terrible by the time they are old enough that no one in their right mind would feel any joy in being a parent

Unless humans bodily functions evolve, the choice to have kids will always be there, good, bad or indifferent of the planet.
People choose to have kids now knowing they are say mentally, physically or financially cant support them

I love the idea of using wind turbines to break up destructive gusts of wind ......
Pop your tin foil hat on OP, then it will all get better.

I also think a lot of people enjoy the drama of the apocalypse fantasy. It makes them feel important and virtuous. Fighting something “big”.

I also think a lot of people enjoy the drama of the apocalypse fantasy. It makes them feel important and virtuous. Fighting something “big”

Absolutely I agree with this. The drama is ridiculous.

I also think lots of kids wouldn't be fighting the big fight if these marches were on a Saturday morning instead of a school day.

LittleBearPad i was not using hyperbole

Extract from Unicef...

While poverty reduction has become a central feature of the international development agenda, the 21st century starts with vast asymmetries in terms of income, access to food, water, health, education, housing, or employment for families.

Half of the world’s children are below the international poverty line of $2 a day

and suffer from multiple deprivations and violations to basic human rights

(basic human rights violations are not having access to clean potable water, adequate nutrition, shelter, fuel/heat, education and medicinal/health access)

Straight from this very long pdf Unicef file on global child poverty

So 8 billion people in the world, nearly half of the world’s population, approx 4 billion, people live in poverty on less than $2.50 a day. Out of that 4 billion, more than 1.3 billion live in extreme poverty less than $1.25 a day.

According to UNICEF out of the 2 billion global child population, 1 billion children worldwide are living in poverty. Nearly 385 million children living in extreme poverty figures are thought to be higher, as out of the 1.3 billion people living in extreme poverty, it is thought that half approx 600 million are infact under 18 years of age. 22,000 children die each day due to extreme poverty.

There is a lot of information on the subject of child poverty out there on the net, but i prefere to go to a source such as Unicef for up to date information.

HTH

Again Hans Rosling. The extra people are not because more babies are being born - the global birth rate has been stable for years. People are living longer - mainly in the developing world. Maybe we should shoot the poor Africans once they hit 60? Cos that's the only thing that'll stabilise world population until it stabilises itself in about 40 years time.

I think it is very strange you don't want to raise the living standards of people in the developing world by offering free widespread education (particularly to women and girls, who are often forced into marriage and children at a young age) and would rather talk about killing them. I don't find genocide jokes funny.

Africa has little to do with emissions, but will suffer greatly from the consequences.

I discovered I was pregnant 4 months ago and have been literally worried sick about this stuff. I’ve torn myself to shreds deciding what to do about it, so much so that I am back under the care of the mental health team that I thought I’d managed to get out from.

Bloody hell there are some thick people on this thread.

Found a mirror have you?

I think it is very strange you don't want to raise the living standards of people in the developing world by offering free widespread education (particularly to women and girls, who are often forced into marriage and children at a young age) and would rather talk about killing them. I don't find genocide jokes funny.

I was being sarcastic, not joking about genocide - merely pointing out that the reason for population increases is better mortality in the developing world.

Of course I want to see raised living standards - but if you looked at the ted talk I mentioned you'll see that over the last 200 years living standards have improved globally in a massive way - hence improved mortality and the 'problem' of increasing global population.

There is a lot of information on the subject of child poverty out there on the net, but i prefere to go to a source such as Unicef for up to date information.

And I went to the WHO who said 800 million hungry. Not acceptable at all but not a billion children starving...

800 million adults and children btw

And this is what you said

Half of them are starving, with no clean water, no heating, no adequate shelter, no education and no adequate medical help.

Which your stats don’t support either. It was hyperbole.

We may as well have always said that we shouldn't have children because they may have an accident or get ill or become drug addicts...A massive amount of children in this country over a hundred years ago died before they were five. Women died in childbirth.
Before vaccinations and antibiotics adults died in huge numbers and there were wars that wiped out most of the young men in a generation.
There's no guarantee for any life. None of us would be here if everyone had worried themselves sick about these things.
Be thankful you are here and that compared to every earlier generation, you have been bloody lucky.