Cyprus is no longer a safe place for (young, single) women to holiday?

[Kraai]

The teen went back to her ONS's room for consensual sex. When there, 11 of his mates burst in and filmed while three of them then raped her. She went to the police and reported it. They were detained. They said it was consensual and was "with love" (I kid you not!). She was interviewed at length with no legal representation and the police decided she was lying. She was then charged with the crime of making up a crime and has been unable to come home since the summer. The guys were all allowed to return to Israel where some of them have since said things indicating she wasn't lying at all and I'm pretty sure the video was shared (from memory, which may be wrong). She's had psychological evaluation saying she's suffering badly from PTSD.

It's worth noting that the Cyprus is a very popular destination for young Israelis to let off steam before they start national service and there's a strong political tie between the two.

So, AIBU to say that Cyprus is no longer a safe destination for young woman? If the worst happens to you and you report it and the police think you're not a credible witness, YOU will end up in jail. Knowing how traumatic reporting something like a stolen wallet in a foreign police station can be, the idea that a woman would be interviewed without legal representation in a state of severe distress, however that manifests, and then not believed and charged means that men have been given free rein to rape in Cyprus. Especially if it's in a potential "grey zone".

https://www.bbc.com/news/videoandd_audio/headlines/50944483/cyprus-rape-claim-case-it-s-a-very-worrying-conviction

Society has invested it in its sporting heroes, in some countries the young, in some military heroes, maybe future military heroes.

What are women? For milleniumm we have been decoration, love interest, mothers, lovers, not real people compared to men, so they would have us and everyone else believe.

These high profile rape trials show just how easily men, and some women, will twist themselves into pretzels to keep their heroes intact and believe they are not capable of this vile crime.

They are capable.

I believe her.

OMG this is on Jeremy Vine (?) radio 2 now.

A woman has just come on to describe a very similar scenario.

From a Jerusalem Post article about sexual assault in the Israeli military, citing an internal IDF report:
The survey also found that while there was still a significantly high feeling among female soldiers that there is an atmosphere of sexual harassment at 60%, the number has gone down from 65% in the last survey two years earlier..

From the same article:
There are regular educational sessions for female soldiers regarding sexual harassment in the military and according to the senior IDF officer, if a female soldier becomes pregnant by rape, the IDF will help her get an abortion within days of her reporting it.

No mention of educational sessions for the nice young men teaching them not to rape women. Although after the fact, they do seem to take it seriously and prosecute offenders.
As an aside, does anyone know if our nice young men in the British army are given educational sessions about how not to rape women? And also, is there any evidence base to show that men who receive such classes are less likely to become perpatrators of rape/sexual assault/harassment?

My God, lessons for women in how not to get raped. You could not make it up.

I went to the USA 30 years ago on a uni exchange trip and we were shown a video on date rape (actually about gang rape). Scared the shit out if me.

I wonder if showing films of what could happen to rapists in prison might deter men and boys.

I can't believe that someone has come on here to say women lie about rape all the time and has encouraged us to watch the 'video circulating online' of this assault.

Then tells this lovely story 'They were watching another friend have a ons with a girl who was a bit odd/social outcast (autistic, I'm sure, looking back). Ok she felt uncomfortable, I think, but I think it was consensual and the other boys didnt burst in. And this was before mobile phones so nobody filmed her without her permission. I have no doubt that they would have done though if they had had them.'.

Filming in an intimate situation without consent is a crime in the UK. Putting it on the net is also a crime. You, highly qualified lawyer carefully watching what purports to be a video of this assault, are indulging in viewing illegal content.

I will not be boycotting Cyprus, just looking to book my summer hol there as a matter of fact. Her story does not add up to me.

That's an interesting position. How do you square that with the diagnosis of PTSD, made by the psychologist who assessed her?

Think I would have PTSD if my sex videos were online for all the world to see and know that I had sex with so many men

Think I would have PTSD if my sex videos were online for all the world to see and know that I had sex with so many men

funny how they weren't prosecuted for that either isn't it.

Oh nice.

And how would you feel if a video of your rape was circulating.

It may not be illegal in Cyprus to video people in intimate situations without their consent, or to upload onto the net, as it is in UK.

Mind you even if it is it's clear they wouldn't have been prosecuted even though it seems widely accepted even by the pro rape crew that she was filmed without her consent. They're giving this as the reason she made false accusations. When in fact the doctor made the report. But you know what these rape loving woman hating types are like, never let little things like that get in the way. And always celebrate cases like these with singing and champagne.

it is illegal in Cyprus. Let's face it we all know that these men weren't going to be charged with anything.

Anyway the whole point of this ridiculous case is that they are supposed to have proven beyond all reasonable doubt that she deliberately lied about being raped.

Such cases should never be brought unless their is clear evidence of malicious intent on the part of the woman making the accusation.

Like perhaps multiple false allegations or attempts at blackmail. Otherwise it will just lead to no women reporting and rapists acting with impunity.

I would like to see the burden of proof reversed with respect to things like group sex. If people really want to do something like this perhaps they should be getting specific agreement in advance.

It's illegal to film without consent?

Even the ones who think she's lying say they filmed without consent.

Well that's interesting.

Watch the video and the photos of the bedroom (assuming they are true, but I'm sure she would have said if it wasn't her/the room). It might change your mind.

I have no intention of watching said video. But I keep hearing claims she laughed and posed for the video. Can anyone simply explain the facts around this repeated claim?

I can't believe people are encouraging others to watch a video of what may very well be a rape.

Or, a video of someone else entirely...

The facts around legal representation, who reported what, the language in the retraction, the judge refusing to hear any evidence of rape... Should be enough fgs

kirinm
Will you stop hounding me? Every time I come on any thread about this topic, which is not often, and ask a question - and you will see I ask questions from both sides - you immediately appear and harrass me.

I have read up. Perhaps I have missed every link, but my questions do not deserve the constant attacks which always come from your account. Stop being so rude and aggressive fgs.

But I keep hearing claims she laughed and posed for the video. Can anyone simply explain the facts around this repeated claim?

It's completely irrelevant even if she was laughing in a short clip, because consent can be withdrawn at any time.

It's completely irrelevant even if she was laughing in a short clip, because consent can be withdrawn at any time.

It's amazing how people repeatedly ignore this fact.

I'm sorry if you think I'm hounding you @Devereux1 - that isn't my intention. I do find your line of questions quite odd though.

@LilyMumsnet can you tell me why my post was deleted please.

I have no intention of watching said video. But I keep hearing claims she laughed and posed for the video. Can anyone simply explain the facts around this repeated claim?

Presumably she was having consensual sex with her holiday fling at that point so she may have been laughing and may have looked like she was posing. It is irrelevant to the question of her consent to sex with 11 other fuckers who then entered the room.

Unless you believe that once a woman has sex, she is fair game for anyone who wants to have a go. It wasn't that long ago that people were open about thinking that. I miss the old days when at least men were open about their hatred of women and their entitlement to our bodies. At least you knew how dangerous they were.

"Perhaps nobody wants to accuse Israelies of being vile pieces of shit, I case, you know they get accused of being anti semetic ."

What does it matter that they were Israeli? It's completely immaterial whether they were Israeli, Greek, French, Turkish or Palestinian. They are responsible for their behaviour as individuals, they were not part of some official delegation.

So, yes, the whole 'well, what do you expect of Israelis' attitude stinks. Israel has its own problems with sexual harassment and misogyny, sure, but nowwhere near the levels seen in many Muslim countries in the region and further afield. Whether they raped or not, what they did was disgusting but they did because they're little misogynistic shits, not because they are Israeli. So let's just stop the obsessing about Israel which seems to be a red flag to some but in this case is a red herring.

In the papers it has said that tourist industry from Israel is v important to Cyprus and this may have had a bearing, to be fair.

Tourist places often cover up crime esp rape, whatever the nationalities involved, from news stories and also women telling what happened to them etc.