Cyprus is no longer a safe place for (young, single) women to holiday?

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The teen went back to her ONS's room for consensual sex. When there, 11 of his mates burst in and filmed while three of them then raped her. She went to the police and reported it. They were detained. They said it was consensual and was "with love" (I kid you not!). She was interviewed at length with no legal representation and the police decided she was lying. She was then charged with the crime of making up a crime and has been unable to come home since the summer. The guys were all allowed to return to Israel where some of them have since said things indicating she wasn't lying at all and I'm pretty sure the video was shared (from memory, which may be wrong). She's had psychological evaluation saying she's suffering badly from PTSD.

It's worth noting that the Cyprus is a very popular destination for young Israelis to let off steam before they start national service and there's a strong political tie between the two.

So, AIBU to say that Cyprus is no longer a safe destination for young woman? If the worst happens to you and you report it and the police think you're not a credible witness, YOU will end up in jail. Knowing how traumatic reporting something like a stolen wallet in a foreign police station can be, the idea that a woman would be interviewed without legal representation in a state of severe distress, however that manifests, and then not believed and charged means that men have been given free rein to rape in Cyprus. Especially if it's in a potential "grey zone".

https://www.bbc.com/news/videoandd_audio/headlines/50944483/cyprus-rape-claim-case-it-s-a-very-worrying-conviction

do you mean people who need actual facts before feeling able to judge a situation? Interesting impartial point of view you have.

No, I mean people who victim blame. The facts of the case are available to people who are willing to look.

I don't think their nationality has anything to do with it. I do think as @PanicAndRun (and I'm so sorry about what happened to you ) said, men can have a pack mentality, particularly when they're away from home.

Or we just accept, which is a terrifying view that I'm reluctantly but increasingly coming to, that an awful lot of men would rape if they had the opportunity to do so.

I see @LilyMumsnet.

In that case, if anyone who is not a victim blaming arsehole would like to contribute to this rape victims legal fees, please Google Cyprus rape victim fundraiser, it's set up by her family.

@FairytaleofButlins it’s still not ideal to place complete faith in the courts, especially when so so many rape trials are botched. And I don’t think it’s quite mob lynching to discuss the facts of low rape convictions versus false allegations. And I’m sorry you’ve experienced man hating on this site but that hasn’t been my experience. Are you a man by any chance?

Let's go with the IHRA definition of antisemitism, for argunents sake.

Claining israelis are claim to a higher power is one fine example of outright antisemitism .

mothertruck3r

How ridiculous! That's like saying Rotherham is not safe for young single women ffs! Cyprus is absolutely fine.

For a long, long time, if you were a girl in the care system in Rotherham, it was absolutely unsafe for you. The police and other services were so woefully inadequate that if you were raped and reported it, NOTHING was done.

Now, with this case, we see that if you are a British female on holiday in Cyprus, and you have sex with a man and are subsequently raped, NOTHING is done. In fact, it is worse. You may be jailed for reporting it.

This woman, whether or not the allegation is true, has been disbelieved and denied appropriate legal advice and denied a fair trial. This is against European human rights.

What assurance does any woman now have that if they were raped they would be treated fairly in Cypress??

Sparklesocks
I am a mother who has 2 boys and 2 girls. I can't agree with comments like this one I think more and more men hate women or see them as just bodies to be abused. because I simply do not believe it to be remotely true.

I didn't even comment on the court judgement stating that the accuser was lying (so apparently not a victim at all), I would be curious to see what comes out in the appeal, because again, I don't know the facts! It doesn't seem nowhere near as black and white as some people posted.

@FairytaleofButlins so let's say God forbid, your daughter is assaulted by one of your son's mates. He gets a not guilty. Your son believes him and wants to keep the friendship,no one believes your daughter. Do you still have the friend round? Give him lifts? Send your other daughter to parties with them?

Can’t see any man hating on the thread

Or calls for lynching

I may have missed them though...always a possibility

PanicAndRun
the fact that my daughter was the victim would be the exact reason why I wouldn't be allowed to judge the case, wouldn't it? You can't expect a mother to be exactly partial here.

But if the case was involving friends on each side of my kids, I couldn't in conscience take side just like that. Just saying the word "rape" doesn't have to mean it's true.

If your own son gets a "not guilty", would you still kick him out of your home?

Can’t see any man hating on the thread

maybe just read it again - I can't be bothered to quote any further than Sadly men are becoming a danger to women all over the world.It seems when they get in groups there is a pack mentality and it's quite scary but there's a lot more.

Ahhhh

So you are stretching a fear of men into hatred of men

Gotcha

Well deffo it exists on the threads if those are the parameters you are working to...

You think a fear of ALL men is rational, do you?
I know some do, it's frightening.

So, AIBU to say that Cyprus is no longer a safe destination for young woman?

Yes. However it might be reasonable to say it’s not a legally sound place to have casual sexual encounters in but luckily not all young people are sniffing out people to have sex with on holiday when they should be enjoying the local culture and sights or whatever.

Stating that you refuse to make snap judgements because you don't have more facts than what you have read in the DM and others - like everybody else on here and being accused of "victim blaming" is what I object against.

you think a fear of ALL men is rational, do you

Nope

But i think there is a difference between men meaning more than one man

And men meaning every single man on the planet

This whole situation is fucking medieval. This woman at a bare minimum must receive fair legal support. She is all of our daughters.

Please email your MP.

I am searching for a change.org petition.

Hmmm, I'm not sure. This isn't just the rape claim being dismissed which sadly often happens due to lack of evidence but the woman being charged with and found guilty of making a false claim. That's a big deal.

Presumably the courts have access to all the evidence? Since its such big deal to actually be found guilty, surely there is a burden of proof which has been reached? The courts would know this is going to be scrutinised and questions asked.

The israeli men and boys acted disgracefully, like complete shits, and were extremely disrespectful. Filming someone without their consent during sex is disgusting but it's also not rape.

No one is coming out of this looking well and, as a pp said, this cant be so black and white.

Every single thread derails into NAMALT and that discussion is made about men as a class rather than every single man on the planet from infancy until they die.

Yes I know not your Nigel,no one's talking about him or hating him or waiting behind a bush ready to castrate him.

Next you'll go all "I fear for my sons".

@PerfectOrganism
It must be safe if you go every year🙄

I have been to a quiet part of Cyprus and it was nice enough. There is no way I would ever let my teenage daughter go to Aiya Napa, especially after hearing this. But this isn't about Cyprus, or about Israel; it's pretty much a worldwide problem.

And I definitely believe her.

I've been to Cyprus loads of times and unfortunately, we've had a handful of experiences (myself and female relatives) over about a decade, that weren't great, although I could say the same about the UK. But in light of the official response/dealing with it, I'd think twice about going back.

I don’t believe that there’s a safe place anywhere on this globe for young single women is there. I don’t know any woman who’s not had some kind of problem with bloody men at some point. As someone who did eventually report 1 of the many assaults and harassment’s I was subjected to fucking daily in fucking Britain and promptly got called a liar with no justification at all, I don’t doubt this young woman is telling the truth. Men are getting worse, not better, in the UK too. I can’t see the East Mediterranean being any better.

In a tourist area there will be a lot of pressure for local law enforcement men to pretend that there’s nothing to see here, nothing wrong st all. The actual safety of real women and girls really does not matter at all. That was one factor in the way I was treated too and they will do anything to try and twist your words.

The report I did on the 17th of July 2019 that I was raped at ayia napa was not the truth. The truth is that I wasnt raped and everything that happened in that appartment was with my consent. The reason I made the statement with the fake report is because I did not know they were recording & humiliating me that night I discovered them recording me doing sexual intercourse and I felt embarrassed as I want to appologise, and say I made a mistake.”

"doing sexual intercourse" Who wrote that statement, Borat?
(Is citing a fake Kazakh creepy dude played by a posh English Jewish dude racist and/or antisemitic? Please delete as (in)appropriate).

They do get one point for spelling "embarrassed" correctly even if the rest is a badly spelled, badly punctuated, ungrammatical (to the point of being nonsensical at one point) heap of shit in a linguistic style that no native English speaker would use.