Wheelchair / buggy on bus

[MoonlightMistletoe]

Today I had got the bus with my sister we both have children I had my toddler who was walking and my one year old who's only just started to walk who is still in a buggy, my sister has a 12week old baby who was also in a buggy.

We had got on the bus as you do and the next stop another parent got on with their buggy, a few stops later we stop and straight away a woman is screaming/shouting at the rear doors with her phone in our faces demanding we collapse our buggies, very angry , shouting at us with buggies and also at the driver. The driver is telling us to stay put due to her being aggressive and recording us. Someone on the bus was telling us to co operate with the woman who wanted to get a person on the bus who was in a wheelchair. We know disabled people are a priority and had absolutely not said we wouldn't put the buggies down, I was taking my sleeping one year out the buggy while this woman was still swearing and being nasty and recording us, I had given my baby to my sister to sit with my toddler and herself while I was about to take her baby out the pram then all of a sudden everyone made a "ohhhhhhh" gasp and the disabled man has fallen down the side of the curb and bus sideways in his wheelchair.

She then looses her absolute shit at us for her own mistakes being so caught up in recording us to make sure we move that the man is now probably injured.

AIBU to think all she had to do was say excuse me can we move the buggies so I can get the wheelchair on?

Exactly @Livelovebehappy

If the "carer" and i use that word loosely,had not been aggressive and shouting abuse,they could have got on the bus.

And the person in the wheelchair [which people seem to forget about]would not have fallen out of the wheelchair.

The carer is in the wrong.The op was moving and the bus driver had opened the doors.

I think all these posters saying maybe the carer was stressed,would be perfectly fine is she got on and started on them.After all shes stressed.

@Mummyoflittledragon it's so shit that you have to put up with such nasty and ignorant comments on this thread. Take care of yourself and your little dragon and

Oops sorry the was a mistake

See something doesn’t quite add up here.

According to the OP the bus driver hadn’t said she couldn’t get on. The OP says she had already started to move from the space. So why would someone be arguing when there wouldn’t have been anything to argue?

We know why sirzy, these threads happen alot, always some way to make wheelchair users and their carers fel like shit.
None of it makes sense.

I'm not trying to make anyone feel like shit I don't want anyone to feel like that and that is not my intentions what so ever.

I'm still thinking about the man in the wheelchair the whole thing was just shocking, I am not a cold hearted monster this is going to stay on my mind for a long time, I will avoid a bus for as long as I can. I feel strongly that if she wasn't so aggressive and so into her phone which her words were "this is going all over social media collapse the prams NOW" swearing etc as soon as the doors opened he wouldn't have fell because she'd have been holding the wheelchair or at least put the breaks on!

The only reason I can think of is that there were 3 buggies on the bus and perhaps didn't get on the last bus other than that I have no idea but it does not mean you can just shout abuse at people does it I mean come on now. Even if she was mad because she didn't get on the previous one doesn't mean you shout at the next bus. They would have both got on safely if she just remained like a decent human being.

I feel strongly that if she wasn't so aggressive and so into her phone which her words were "this is going all over social media collapse the prams NOW" swearing etc as soon as the doors opened he wouldn't have fell because she'd have been holding the wheelchair or at least put the breaks on!

I agree,people on here are so busy making you the devil,and the carer the put up person.They seem to forgotten the actual disabled person that fell in to the road.

No @Dustarr73, people already decided the disabled person didn’t fall in the road because wheelchairs don’t tip over 🙄.

I had to take a break from this thread because I was at the limit of my ability to stay calm, but I feel it’s important to keep trying to get my point across and speak for wheelchair users who have even less of a voice than I do.

However, my blood pressure has shot straight up again due to a new crop of posters who know everything about being disabled and the realities of life as a wheelchair user. As I said way way back in the thread, STOP TALKING OVER US AND LISTEN. You might even learn something useful.

Her getting upset for no reason when the bus driver was going to let her get on the bus makes no sense unless she is mentally ill. So what if the bus driver stopped and opened the doors. If he intended to let her on, why did he not attempt to put the ramp up? You are making assumptions about his intentions. He might be a nasty bastard with form and the whole thing was to wind her up. Or maybe someone got off to the front of rear and you didn’t see them. These explanations makes no less sense than yours

Thanks Leigh. I don’t feel gotten at. 😊

@Mummyoflittledragon because as soon as the doors opened she was swearing demanding to collapse the buggy which I was doing when I saw the wheelchair! It doesn't make sense no! it doesn't make sense to me why she acted so aggressive it was not needed and could have saved so much stress if she just behaved like a decent person. You do know some people are arseholes it doesn't matter what job you do it doesn't give you a free pass to be a nasty person!

Her behaviour put the man in danger not me!

@gingersausage I am listening. My issue didn't have anything to do with the man in the wheelchair I was moving as soon as I saw him. My issue was the carers angry outburst towards me , which by reading everything from different points of views I can see how she just lost her shit from struggling to care for the man when they shouldn't have to be struggling. I can't say people don't treat disabled people horribly just that I know I'm not that cold hearted to feel I'm any more important than them because I'm not , we are all human and all deserve respect.

That's why I posted because I was generally in shock that this even happened.

I turned on the news last night and saw that people in wheelchairs can't even access a fucking train now that literally goes to show how messed up things are.

You would think the people who actually design and build these things take everybody into consideration but they don't I've now seen that.

I am generally sorry if this thread has upset you it's really not my intentions. I think we can all agree things need to change and people need to be better people.

I understand her behaviour caused a disabled person to fall, which is incredibly serious, god knows I know. I’m scared to death of falling - or falling in the road / being knocked over. A wanker drove directly in front of me a couple of weeks ago because I took too long to cross a road in a car park.

I just cannot get my head around her getting this angry if she knew they were being let on. It really makes no sense. The thing is it also makes no sense that the bus driver drove off still not allowing the potentially injured person in a wheelchair on the bus in the cold. By this time she must have calmed down, no? It shows a certain level of callousness fo drive off and leave them that I just cannot get my head around either.

The challenge of disability on public transport is unrelenting and permanent. It's not unsurprising if a carer reaches breaking point.

Parents are the first to moan and shout if a person without kids parks in a child and parent space. And why? Because they see it as 'their' space even though it is advisory and not a legal right, unlike disabled bays.

The hypocrisy here is astounding. And it is clearly partly the bus driver's fault as he should know better.

This ^^^

Ah so you’re not disabled. And you’re not a carer either I take it. So you have NO IDEA how it feels to be treated systematically as less than. To have to beg for the generosity of others for just having your basic needs and rights met. And how was she screaming in someone’s face when she was denied access to the bus?

We know why sirzy, these threads happen alot, always some way to make wheelchair users and their carers fel like shit.
None of it makes sense.

And this ^^

@Mummyoflittledragon That's terrifying some people really don't have any patience and are generally wankers it's horrible.

Well everybody gasped and she put her phone in her pocket , the doors were still open at this point and she wasn't calm at all saying "this is all your fault you jumped up cunts" while helping him up with two other people there. She then wheeled him away from the bus so the bus driver closed the doors and went. I'm not sure if he was badly injured but there was people with him so I don't know what happened after that.

The bus driver did say at the next stop that he knows her and she's always causing trouble and not to worry about it but I can't stop thinking about it because it wasn't the mans fault it's just horrible.

I just think if everyone is a little bit nicer things wouldn't be so shit.

@MoonlightMistletoe I wasn’t referring to you.

Wheelchair users have never been able to access trains from my nearest station. I have to arrange in advance for there to be someone there to get a ramp ready for me. When I get to the station, I have to find which platform my train is going from and then find the person who is supposed to organise the ramp. Invariably, 5 minutes before my train is due the platform number will change, and there is only one lift to serve the whole station, which has ~12 platforms. So then I have to find the person who is supposed to be putting the ramp out and tell them my platform has changed, if I can find them. If I miss my train because of all this, I have to pay for another ticket, because to save money I’ve booked a ticket that can only be used on one particular train. Once I’m on the train, if it’s busy and people are sitting in the doorway between the carriages, I can’t access the loo. Given that my normal train journey would be 4 1/2 hours, not being able to use a loo for that length of time is awful. None of these issues would affect an able-bodied person; we don’t ever get anything approaching an equal experience.

@QuiQuaiQuod How am I making wheelchair users and carers feel like shit? I'm sorry but I'm not speaking about anyone in general I'm talking about a specific person and incident that happened, the abusive woman who was verbally abusing me.

The most awful thing is that a poor disabled man has been injured through no fault of his own. From what you described you've done nothing wrong, you should of been asked politely and given time to move.

Good greif, so now, the driver knew her.
Its taken up untill page 13 for you to say this.
Really?.
At least i now know i was right about this thread.

@Samcro I actually have said this at the beginning when someone asked what happened after. Third post of mine when I was catching up on thread.

It doesn’t change much in that he knew her, as perhaps she knows the driver too and they have developed a ridiculous situation where he doesn’t let her on. She probably would go crazy if so.

No one can know what the situation is though

@MoonlightMistletoe
Yes, thanks. I was about 3 metres from the car, made it back and had a panic attack whilst leaning on the car. No one approached me to see if I needed help (busy car park) despite me being parked in a disabled space. I’m basically invisible.

Marsha
That would hardly be a ridiculous situation though. That would be an abuse of power. And a very plausible explanation.

Sounds like the driver has form for not letting this wheelchair user on the bus.
Hopefully someone on the bus willhave reported him.

Samcro
I’ve asked op to report him a couple of times.