Unexpected use of holiday home

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Not quite Mexican House Thief - at least not yet! - but I'm trying no to get dragged into this and would welcome anyone's advice

Friend A has a holiday home in Florida and was persuaded to offer it to son of Friend B for a free fortnight's holiday with his girlfriend
Friend B's son (23) invited a load of mates to go instead, claiming his GF couldn't make it, but didn't tell A about this
Friend A - who's only just discovered this - has said no to the mates, some of whom are very dubious (a couple have convictions for affray)
Both B and her son insist flights to Orlando are all paid for, so it's now not fair to refuse them

As C I'm close to all of them, and though I'm trying to stay out of it I'm getting my ear thoroughly bent by everyone, expecting me to take sides. FWIW I believe B's son has been pretty deceitful over this and shouldn't expect to dictate who stays at someone else's home, but would be interested in the MN verdict

YABU = since flights are now paid for they should be allowed to go
YANBU = A should say no because she wasn't told those going had changed

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You can easily re-vote if you press the wrong button.

Waiting for an update! Hope A stays firm with her no!

Not under any circumstances! And what idiot friends if they have booked flights without getting your ESTA's.
They wouldn't be staying in my property even if deposit was 200 grand.
Does Friend B not see how unreasonable her son is being? They need to book somewhere else.

I think some people have been amending their votes, 100% now.

Anyway, I hope OP tells B she and her son are totally BU. And I too wondered if the group would still go and try to get into the property anyway. Hope A has good security.

B's son is a conniving little shit.

I wouldn't let him stay in my shed, never mind a holiday home.

No way should she let them go.
I hope she has the stones to refuse to hand over the keys.

the idea of ‘tipping off’ US immigration about 4 lads from Wolverhampton or wherever who might try for a cheap holiday in March, even though the owner hasn’t rented them the villains delicious,

‘hello? is that America? oh, lovely. right, i need to let you know about these 4 lads...’ etc

they’ll be bang on it, they have nothing better to do, after all.

villians ?? ‘the villa’

Absolutely not. B’s son has lied to her and been disrespectful. It’s one thing allowing a couple to use your holiday home, quite another a large group of lads.

They took the chance being dishonest and it’s back fired. They have no one to blame but themselves.

exWife google Caroline Farrow, she was denied boarding on a flight to Florida after a malicious tip off to the US Embassy recently and she hadn’t been convicted of anything.
Here’s the thing with US immigration, they can deny you entry for any or no reason, they don’t care. You’re right a tip off probably wouldn’t lead to a major investigation unless it involved smuggling or terrorism, they’d just put a flag against the name which would lead to a denial just to be on the safe side.
“Oh we fucked up and you’re not a criminal? Oh well, sorry not sorry. Just go the embassy and fill out a visa application for future travel here, it’ll cost you and take about 3 months but that’s not our problem.”

A is def NBU. Also I know through my work that if you have a criminal conviction you cannot get an ESTA for travel to the US, you need a visa which means appointments and interviews at the embassy and is a lengthy process. Either they have lied on the ESTA form or they will get a Nast surprise when they apply!

I can’t believe friend B doesn’t see how unacceptable this is. I’d be furious with my son for doing this.

Hopefully, A has some sort of maintenance or security firm looking after her property, in case those CFs are still trying to rock up at that villa. This is the reason why DH and I are very careful about our property in France. We don't tell a lot of people and generally point out it is still being slowly renovated.

Mates can get a another villa or hotel accommodation once they get to Orlando or before they get to Orlando and then apologise to mate I for being such dicks

I really want to know why 23 people have voted YABU!!

Not a hope in hell would I allow this group to stay in my holiday home. As a pp said if friend A does she should ask for a large deposit before they go.

Gosh if I was friend b I wouldn't rest worrying what state the villa would be left in by my son & his friends

It's A's house & she can absolutely refuse them staying- ANY of them. Completely rescind the offer altogether. B & her son are cheeky f@ckers of the highest order. Just rude & devious & ungrateful. End of.

I really want to know why 23 people have voted YABU!!

B, her ds and his 21 mates with tickets and no accommodation.

This was totally planned. Highly unlikely all his mates suddenly had enough money to hand to pay for flights. Most young men when given the chance of a free house in a desirable place would choose a load of mates to go with him..

Good luck with B this afternoon. Think you’re going to need it.

Btw, yanbu. Neither is A

If A rents out the villa publicly they should try and get someone else in. Then can legitimately say it's not available plus no risk of the lads turning up and staying anyway. Although would have to hope they didn't turn up at all... It gets messy. I'd just grass them up to immigration.

I wonder if B and her son would be behaving like this if A's husband was still alive? How long has she been widowed?

My blameless mil was denied an ESTA