To think this is unreasonable and this judge knowingly scentenced this man to death

[Sootyandsweep2019]

Just read a heartbreaking story in the paper about an 87 year old man, who given a 27 month prison sentence after he killed someone in a car accident. The judge was warned at the time by the man's doctors that this was highly likely to lead to his death; but went ahead and did it anyway. As predicted, he died nine days later. This was not murder, this was not malicious; it was a complete, tragic accident.

By all means ban him from driving if he was a danger, look at tightening the driving regulations around older drivers.

But our obsession with "making people pay," for genuine accidents has led to this utter tragedy .

The poor man must have been terrified. I really think this particular judge/ case needs urgent investigation; and we need a wider look at whether prison is always an appropriate response to car accident s like this.

Sadly I don't expect the judge/ CPS/ solicitors etc. Feel guilty at all.

@Sootyandsweep2019 you’re getting confused as to what “accident” means. This wasn’t one.

You read this story and it’s the KILLER who gets your pity, OP? My thoughts are with the victims and their families and friends.

The man was driving like a tool- angry, speeding, using wrong pedal, not able to get out of his wrong manoeuvre, almost killing a child... he caused death by dangerous driving and was sentenced accordingly.

Are you his relative, OP?

@Sootyandsweep2019 Choosing to reverse for 100 feet at 19mph (top speed) is not an accident. I would be concerned if you drive as you are unable to identify very what dangerous driving is.

What is it with old people getting automatics and then getting the pedals muddled up? Maybe they should all drive manuals, they'd be more likely to stall and there wouldn't be so many of these incidents.

There was at least one person killed a couple of years ago, when another elderly driver did the same and crashed into a coffee shop full of people.

Given the facts of this case, I can't see how anything other than a custodial sentence would have been appropriate.

It wasn't an "accident" and Wormwood isn't a high security prison.

@SimonJT erm I've never had a car accident in my life

And it's not about his age; I feel it's really tragic when drivers of any age who have had a tragic accident, ( I'm not talking downing a bottle of vodka and joyriding)are imprisoned. Doesn't bring the deceased back but ensures more lives are ruined in the process

The good people of Glasgow would tend to disagree, having seen a similarly selfish cunt get off scot free with mounting the pavement and killing 6 pedestrians in the city centre at Christmas time 5 years ago.

AND continue to drive afterwards (he got done for that, thankfully).

But you know he was punished, so Mumsnet will be happy
Certainly am. Well done to the judge for making a good decision and not being swayed by something from his GP, which would have been solely aimed at trying to save his arse and hardly impartial. At least he received an appropriate punishment, unlike this doddery old cunt (this happened near me)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37275528

And it's not about his age; I feel it's really tragic when drivers of any age who have had a tragic accident, ( I'm not talking downing a bottle of vodka and joyriding)are imprisoned. Doesn't bring the deceased back but ensures more lives are ruined in the process
This really comes down to saying that killing someone when it wasn't intended should be forgiven.

If your plumber comes to check your boiler, and he has a lapse of attention when putting wires together, and as a result, there is an emission of toxic gas that kills your whole family, according to you, he shouldn't be sent to jail because he didn't mean the lapse of attention and the consequences that resulted from it?

Accidents don’t just happen, they are caused.

But everyone has a story dont they?

Too old, too sick, has kids, etc

Should we let dangerous people walk the streets because they may or may not survive/crack in prison. Should prison have taken care of him yes. Should we let people go just because they are old? No. Some old men and women are fitter and healthier than i am...

YABVU.

87 or 27, he killed someone due to his dangerous driving.

Too many people kill with cars and aren’t punished for it.

I was against the custodial sentence until I read the fuller background. He shouldn't have been behind the wheel, one woman lost her life and another has been left with life changing injuries. No apology or apparent remorse was demonstrated by him including during the court case. That has to be reflected in the sentence (not for not apologising but the original incident).

Are you his relative, OP?

Think it’s Anne Sacoolas’ lawyer, trying to scope out the sentiments of a potential British jury.

Agree with @Savingforarainyday

@Sootyandsweep2019 he was in a temper when he got back in the car after a minor accident. He admitted that to the judge. He wasn't concentrating on what he was doing which is why he did what he did.

If my 25yo did this in his sporty car people would have no sympathy for him.

Not sure what I'd think if it were my grandfather. One of my grandfathers stopped driving when he felt his reaction time was slowing (at 70) the other died before he got too old.

However going by older relatives now, I think you would have know for a good while that your grandfather's ability to drive was decreasing. You'd be very, very upset they went to prison and died, but you'd be unreasonable to think they were blameless.

OP, you keep repeating “tragic accident “, have you actually read the details of what happened in the car park, and the child he nearly ran over as well? He was convicted of death by dangerous driving, not accidental death.

Part of being a responsible driver is being aware that your emotions can and will affect how you react in the car. When you're driving a machine that can kill people, you need to take that seriously. Regardless of age. If he was angry he shouldn't have moved the car after the front bump. He chose to do that and he ended up killing and seriously injuring people. He was responsible for their death and injury, and his sentencing should reflect that, IMOm

I'm sad for the outcome, and the judge says she struggled over this sentence, but she knows more about the law than any of us, and she felt she had to sentence him to 27 months.

I'm not Anne Sacoolas's lawyer, but I don't believe she should return to the u.k and I'm glad the chances of her being .are to return is small.

Has anyone read the article?

he was travelling 19 mph in reverse and in a car park...
after already having hit a bollard.

That's bloody obviously dangerous. The extent of the 2 womens injuries tell you just how unsafe he was being. We have a system in this country that places trust on the driver to give up when incapable. If it was as frail as defence lawyers suggest he was its bloody obvious he should have long given up by now.

So he got in the car knowing he was likely unsafe to do so, had a minor accident then got back in the car knowing he was driving cross.

They are absolutely right to have thrown the book at him

He shouldn't have driven after hitting the bollard, he should have taken time to compose himself. He should have realised he wasn't fit to drive after nearly hitting the man with his children. He shouldn't have driven when he was in such a state of mind that he confused the brake and the accelerator. He made the decision to drive when he wasn't in a fit state to do so and made that decision twice.

I'm not Anne Sacoolas's lawyer, but I don't believe she should return to the u.k and I'm glad the chances of her being .are to return is small.

Fucking hell! Well aren't you a peach?

I'm not Anne Sacoolas's lawyer, but I don't believe she should return to the u.k and I'm glad the chances of her being .are to return is small

You’re a terrible person. Why are you an apologist for killers?