UCAS utterly unfair

[Iwasneveragoddess]

My third child is filling out his UCAS form and as happened with his sister he has to put the highest earner in the household on the form, which will affect his loan, this isn’t me it’s my DH who is not father to any of my children.

He is still paying maintenance for his own children and is not financially responsible for mine, how on earth is this fair?

Your schedule provided is a 24 hour work week, assuming you had a lunch break on Saturdays.

I am asking, because I am trying to wrangle out what the differing viewpoints actually are here, more precisely.

Yes, since you didn't work you wouldn't know would you?

How would I know that work doesn't count as socialising? Could it be the 30 years I have worked since leaving university not to mention the fact that I did actually work during the summer holidays.

woodchuck99 There was some rest time, you can see it for yourself, I don't know why you keep questioning me about social time.

That's where we differ you see. Your focus is all about the socialising. Mine was being a responsible adult who did not exploit my parents, being a respectful daughter, being able to pay my own bills without leeching off my parents, being able to fund things I needed, grow in character and gain experience of the working environment.

Anyway, ignoring the impugnations of character, we have now ironed out that the most extreme point of view in this thread is that a student should be solely self-supporting.

The suggested schedule allows less than 7 hours for sleep on week nights and fits in 24 hours of paid work.

Note that the current minimum wage for young people aged between 18-20 is £6.15, rising to £7.70 after 21. After you've bought your pasta and baked beans for the week, I think you'll still be in the hole for meeting rent.

There was some rest time, you can see it for yourself, I don't know why you keep questioning me about social time. That's where we differ you see. Your focus is all about the socialising. Mine was being a responsible adult who did not exploit my parents, being a respectful daughter, being able to pay my own bills without leeching off my parents, being able to fund things I needed, grow in character and gain experience of the working environment.

You mentioned resting some of the time on Sunday but that was it. According to you, you did nothing but coursework or paid work on other days of the week apart from sport on a Friday. According to your schedule, there is zero time for rest or socialising outside of work and coursework and assuming that you didn't work next door to your accommodation you apparently had only six hours to sleep each day. Out of interest, do you work from 6 am to 11 pm six days a week now or is it just something you think students to do?

This is fascinating: university.which.co.uk/student-budget-calculator

Personally, despite us not being that well off, I am planning to be a "responsible adult". And by that, I mean I was well aware of how student finance was calculated when I had children, so I will take personal responsibility for them and support them at university as far as we are able. If our income at that point reduces their eligibility for a loan, then we will do our best to make up the shortfall, because that is what we signed up for when we had kids!

The suggested schedule allows less than 7 hours for sleep on week nights and fits in 24 hours of paid work

Unless they work next door to the place where they stack shelves it would be even less than seven hours sleep a day. The rest is all work apart from a lunchbreak apparently.

This is great

It reminds me a lot of an over-ambitious schedule I drew up for myself, aged 18, because I thought I was super-human. I realised the flaws in my plan very quickly, after the weekend I signed up to do Saturday overtime in a very physical job from 6am-2pm, after a week of working from 2pm-10pm in the same job, including the previous night(!)

And it took 45 minutes to get to work each way. I was an idiot. It was a shit day!

woodchuck99 Do you feel threatened somehow because some people work and don't sponge off their parents? Is that behind your obsession to try and deny reality, or what happens in the real world, or my experience? Analyse and fret and try and find a chink away. How many hours this, how many hours. No matter what calculation you come up with, the answer is yes my dear, it was really tough. I kept my self respect. Look at the result of what you did. You look utterly desperate, manic and deeply insecure.

Devereux you are the one who has previously claimed to find other people's posts frightening. (If MN ever allows tickers, I will put your post as a signature.)

I doubt anyone finds your posts "threatening".

woodchuck99 Do you feel threatened somehow because some people work and don't sponge off their parents?

LOL why would I feel threatened? I'm in my 50s and quite self-sufficient, thank you.

Is that behind your obsession to try and deny reality, or what happens in the real world, or my experience? Analyse and fret and try and find a chink away. How many hours this, how many hours. No matter what calculation you come up with, the answer is yes my dear, it was really tough.

I'm analysing your fantasy schedule because it demonstrates nicely that it is not reasonable to expect a student to totally fund themselves while doing a degree.

I kept my self respect. Look at the result of what you did. You look utterly desperate, manic and deeply insecure.

Your sounding a bit nuts now.

Your you're!

Devereux, is this all because you feel threatened because some people here think it's reasonable to support your young adult offspring? Are you feeling inadequate because you've shacked up with a high earner who doesn't want to take responsibility for his stepchildren?

JamieVardysHavingAParty
Devereux, is this all because you feel threatened because some people here think it's reasonable to support your young adult offspring? Are you feeling inadequate because you've shacked up with a high earner who doesn't want to take responsibility for his stepchildren?

Er. You might want to stop, take a deep breath, and work out which deranged planet you are on. Shacked up with a high earner? Stepchildren? What is wrong with you?

woodchuck99

LOL why would I feel threatened? I'm in my 50s and quite self-sufficient, thank you.
Inwardly you're clearly very, very insecure.

I'm analysing your fantasy schedule
Oh, hear we go again. The real world and other people's experiences must be fantasy. The common thread of all your posts. You cannot deal with reality because it challenges your position so you have to persuade yourself that none of it is real. Every single post is doing this, have you noticed?

I think you're a bit in trouble. Good luck.

It's amazing how you can dish it out, but you can't take it, isn't it?

JamieVardysHavingAParty

OMG. I repeat, what is wrong with you?

Where in your little head did you make up your ranting notion of me being married to a high earner who doesn't want to support step children?

You cannot deal with reality because it challenges your position so you have to persuade yourself that none of it is real

Like when you thought student rent hadn't gone up since the 90s? Or when you said you worked 37 hours a week? When your schedule adds up to 24 hours.

You are Dory, and I claim my £5

Well this thread isnt really selling the benefits of a university education is it

Thank fuck I'm ill educated and lazy and irresponsible and can lie in bed eating Toffifee watching people Argue On The Internet

Well this thread isnt really selling the benefits of a university education is it

TBF, I haven't got a uni education. Maybe I wouldn't be doing this if I had. I was actually 100% financially independent at that age, working full-time, as in 40 hours a week (inc stupid shift choices to make extra money!) to pay my rent, council-tax and utilities.

Nothing particularly wrong with that, but, if I had been at uni and only been able to work 24 hours a week because of lectures, I would have needed financial support, either in the form of a grant or parental support.

JamieVardysHavingAParty
You're quite right, 24 hours a week.

Nothing particularly wrong with that, but, if I had been at uni and only been able to work 24 hours a week because of lectures, I would have needed financial support, either in the form of a grant or parental support.
Or you would have saved up sums in the term breaks and holidays, as I have specifically stated. Or nowadays you would take out a loan.

I ask you for the third time, why did you insanely rant at me about my husband's supposed wealth and existence of step children and some fabricated rant about him?

Inwardly you're clearly very, very insecure.

Insecure about what? Resorting to insults rather than backing up your argument really is not helping your case.

Oh, hear we go again. The real world and other people's experiences must be fantasy. The common thread of all your posts. You cannot deal with reality because it challenges your position so you have to persuade yourself that none of it is real.

The "real world" is not fantasy but that doesn't mean that your schedule is not fantasy or that is reasonable to expect students to work from 6 am to 11 pm every day so that their parents don't have to give them any money. You haven't answered my question about whether you work those sort of hours now. My guess is not considering you spend so much time on here.

I ask you for the third time, why did you insanely rant at me about my husband's supposed wealth and existence of step children and some fabricated rant about him?

If that's a fabricated rant, what is it when you call Woodchuck "utterly desperate, manic and deeply insecure"?

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I discuss the real world
You are manic.
She is insanely ranting.

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